Forget Bush...Blame The ATM's

dieseldiva

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If a Republican....ANY Republican had said this...oh well, what's the use.

And hey....he forgot the automated toll booths, gotta be sure to spread the blame around!

“There are some structural issues with our economy where a lot of businesses have learned to become much more efficient with a lot fewer workers. You see it when you go to a bank and you use an ATM, you don’t go to a bank teller, or you go to the airport and you’re using a kiosk instead of checking in at the gate.”
 
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chefdennis

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LOL, as the economy goes to h8ll in a hand basket we will see more and more conveniences go by the wayside and we will once again live in the late 50's and early 60's BUT, without the economic growth that began in those times..we will become a 3rd world country...barry is just setting the table for it now by blaming the technology that has allowed growth and allowed companies to be profitable without the expense of humans..yeap, the corporations are to blame...the greedy business people...they created this... its all their fault....its time to destroy them and enpower the middleclass again, but this time the government will lead the way to enpower and control the people...yeap, a socialist society.....:rolleyes:

How many of you have read the "Communist Manifesto"..??

Marx preached the removal of technology...because it replaced the "worker".....you know, guarantee everyone a "job"....

So this from barry is nothing new, it runs right along his "idealogy"...let the government control the people and business and spread the wealth....while lowering the standard of living for all to the lowest common denominator.....
 
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witness23

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Oh that poor girl, I cringe everytime I hear or watch her comments.

Scrolled down to the comments section, and saw this gem:

"Still smarter than Sarah Palin."

Although, they did spell Sarah, Serah.


Oh wait, back to the topic at hand.

By the way, your link to Malkins blog doesn't work.

Let's keep this in context shall we?

From Ms. Malkins website, this is the quote from Obama she quotes:
“There are some structural issues with our economy where a lot of businesses have learned to become much more efficient with a lot fewer workers. You see it when you go to a bank and you use an ATM, you don’t go to a bank teller, or you go to the airport and you’re using a kiosk instead of checking in at the gate.”

And here is the rest of that quote from the interview with the Today Show:

So all these things have created changes in the economy, and what we have to do now -- and that's what this job council is all about -- is identifying where the jobs for the future are going to be; how do we make sure that there's a match between what people are getting trained for and the jobs that exist; how do we make sure that capital is flowing into those places with the greatest opportunity. We are on the right track. The key is figuring out how do we accelerate it. (NBC, Today)

Kind of changes the allegations that ATM's and kiosks are the enemies of this recovery.

I will say though, using automation as an example why businesses aren't hiring, was a bad one. The part that stuck out to me though, was his comment about how businesses have learned to be more efficient with less workers.

My theory is that businesses were forced to down size because of the economic collapse(they had no choice) and that they have been able to do the same amount of work with less people. Even with businesses that are producing more and could legitemately hire more people, they are choosing not to. Obviously this practice equates to higher profits, so why would you hire more people if you are able to produce the same or more and still do it with the workforce you have on hand already. Also, people have become more frugal as a whole, businesses and society. Which is a good thing in the overall scheme of things, but not so good for if you are looking for an immediate recovery from the collapse we experienced.
 

layoutshooter

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Retired Expediter
We have even automated several dispatchers in this business. That MAY be a good thing in some cases since many don't seem to know the difference between a lift axle or a lift gate!!

Things change. Always do. You can keep up or fall behind. It is 100% up to the individual.
 

greg334

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Witness, you hit the problem.

We have experienced a lot of growth that is hidden and it is hidden because of an underground economy among the people. A number of us are part of this economy when we get our authority and make our own way.

One example I used yesterday while talking to my customer was the fact that the equipment I have does the job of five people. I have a small desktop cnc router for circuit boards and the 'free' software to run it. It cost about $1400 overall and iv very accurate and precise. I can do the engineering of the circuit, the board layout, the silkscreening of the board and the component installation. With the mail order systems, I can order one part or a thousand parts and have them delivered within a couple days. I alone do the job of the engineer, the layout guy, the board manufacturer, the laborer to install the components and the assembly/tester guy.

This is not uncommon. With the advent of CNC machining becoming so cheap, little garage shops have popped up all over the place and have been making money for a lot of people without the education. A family run business can make a pretty good living doing spot work for a manufacturer.

The real problem is that this administration, like many others in the past depend on the wrong people to advise them. WITHIN Obama's cabinet he has the same type of intellectuals that FDR had, they are out of touch with reality and those who are in touch are only thinking about themselves. It would be advantageous for Obama, or even the republican candidates to shed the idea that these guys from the universities or think tanks are the ones with the answers about jobs and the economy. Maybe placing a few people in the position of advisors who are the small manufacturer/service company owner would be a bit better to get the right info than say the head of GE or Buffet - neither of them know squat about the real world.
 

chefdennis

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greg wrote:

The real problem is that this administration, like many others in the past depend on the wrong people to advise them. WITHIN Obama's cabinet he has the same type of intellectuals that FDR had, they are out of touch with reality and those who are in touch are only thinking about themselves.

He doesn't listen to his "cabinet members"..he was in office for 3 months before he had a cabinet meeting and then it was only a few of them,,and for 2 yrs he had NO contact with a half a dozen of them...

Breitbart.tv » Obama Never Had Contact With Half Dozen Cabinet Officials in First Two Years

His advisors are those outside the wh and only those that have the same idealogy as he does...look at his "jobs commission"..all the heads of major corps and guy that have shead more jobs then they have added either by layoffs or sendng them overseas...no small business people that employ people...then you have is "czars"....more like thinking idiologs...and socialist leaning minions....
 

greg334

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He doesn't listen to his "cabinet members"..he was in office for 3 months before he had a cabinet meeting and then it was only a few of them,,and for 2 yrs he had NO contact with a half a dozen of them...

Really?

You don't say?

http://www.breitbart.tv/obama-never...f-dozen-cabinet-officials-in-first-two-years/
His advisors are those outside the wh and only those that have the same idealogy as he does...look at his "jobs commission"..all the heads of major corps and guy that have shead more jobs then they have added either by layoffs or sendng them overseas...no small business people that employ people...then you have is "czars"....more like thinking idiologs...and socialist leaning minions....

Well Duh ... it doesn't matter because every president has had them in their administration - either as cabinet members or advisors of some sort. As a president or even congressman, you surround yourself with people who think like you do.

As for the guy who sent jobs overseas, well that's GE A MULTINATIONAL company. I don't hear anyone complaining about Pfizer, Merke or Glaxo shipping jobs out of the country. GE lost how many jobs? Pfizer since 2002 has cut more than 35,000 jobs within 5 years.

Like I said, they are out of touch with reality and those who are in touch are only thinking about themselves.

I listened to Hannity yesterday for a bit and wondered why didn't Bush tap these guys to advice him?
 

tbubster

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G.E's ceo jeffery immelt in his ten years at the helm of G.E has sent almost half of its american workforce to china and mexico.yet this is the man that the great one has heading up his jobs council.If people would just take a few minutes to really do some research on some of Obamas czars,and advisorers they really would be shocked. but then that would require many on the left to face the truth.
Obama/G.E is way bigger then the whole Bush/Cheney/halliburton deal. everything Obama wants to spend billions on from high speed rails to wind energy to health care.yes i said health care G.E has a very large hand in.never mind the fact that the three leading companys in the world for high speed rails are all in china and G.E owns a stake in all three. as far as the wind turbines go G.E is the counrty largest owner of turbines. in 2009 G.E suplied 43% of the turbine power in the world with the no2 company suplying just 13%hell they are one of the largest in the world for that matter.
my point is that while many still blame bush. they refuse to see what is right in front of them. If people would only look at most of Obamas advisors and where they worked befor.a great deal of them worked as clinton advisors then went to wall street and the big banks and are now in Obamas white house.for most its easier to be herded like sheep then it is to face the truth.
 

greg334

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So I am going to assume with GE's exodus of jobs in the past 10 years, Obama's past 2 are less of a concern than the 8 years of Bush where GE among others have established themselves in third world countries where the jobs are. It doesn't matter when you look at the bigger picture, more jobs left the country in the 8 years of Bush than the two years of Obama and I would expect that if we have another republican president, there will be the same thing happening unless who ever he nationalizes the companies.

If people would only look at most of Obamas advisors and where they worked befor.a great deal of them worked as clinton advisors then went to wall street and the big banks and are now in Obamas white house.

Not really much to say, we rewarded those and those who have freinds in the money sector of the country and in automotive to the that we may never see our debt paid from the rewarding them. The puzzling thing that no one here seems to think about is how do many among us claim that the left is so anti-business when the biggest companies and people who make the most outrageous profits are not being attacked at all. Wall street doesn't make jobs directly and it rarely filters down to the people, the banking industry doesn't make jobs, and so on but those are making the record profits under an administration that is considered dangerous to business.

I have yet seen any redistribution of wealth happening in this country and I don't expect to see it.

It all comes down to a Fascist style economic system that is coming out. Rush uses the term Crony Capitalism but that's another euphemism for Fascism because that's what happened here in the banking industry as it did in Germany and Italy.
 

LDB

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Retired Expediter
You silly simple people. All this fuss about ATM's when everyone knows the problem is the automatic elevator. :rolleyes:
 

mcavoy33

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To save the economy, Obama should ban tractor trailers and have everything shipped by cargo vans. Just think how many jobs that would create. Every tractor trailer driver would need about 5 people at least to replace him.

Plus imagine all the oil related jobs created from the gas needed to fuel the cars.

zomg America would be booming. Lets kill technology.
 

paullud

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more jobs left the country in the 8 years of Bush than the two years of Obama

Bush did a bad job but please review your number charts and you will see 8 is more than 2.

I have yet seen any redistribution of wealth happening in this country and I don't expect to see it.

It has been happening for years please review EIC. (Earned Income Credit)

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Turtle

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I have yet seen any redistribution of wealth happening in this country and I don't expect to see it.
Seriously? A higher graduated tax rate based on higher incomes is practically the definition of the redistribution of wealth. I would think an advocate of the Fair Tax could see that.
 

tbubster

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on 11-12-1999 then democratic president bill clinton signed into law the gramm/leach/bliley act.(bank deregulation)(the one the left wants everyone to belive bush was responsible for) bill clinton called it a great day for america. well that great day for america has become very bad for america.by him signing this what he did was to allow the banks/investment firms and wall street to become what they did.yes this bill was written by three republicans.however the democrats were all for it. just look over the eight years bush was in office and see who were the largest recipients of funds for their campaigns.you will see it was not republicans.in 2003 and 2005 the bush administration sought to create new banking regulations.Both times it went no where due to democrats. barney frank went so far as to say he wanted to roll the dice on this subprime mortgage thing.
. went on to say "its not like were gonna bail out the banks if they fail"(if you type this in a you tube search you can hear it for yourselfs) maxine waters said this witch hunt is racilly motivated.and why are you trying to fix something thats not broke. so yes this is why i say the left.
banks and wall street have a huge impact on jobs.think about it a great many of us drivers would not be driving with out the banks to make the loans to buy the trucks/vans we drive.alot of what the banks do is based off what wall street is doing.they have a huge impact on jobs.
yes there are a great ## of companys that have shipped jobs to mexico(nafta! thanks clinton for that one to) and china(U.S China relations act of 2000.which paved the way for China to join the WTO.up untill this chinas trade with america was reviwed every year. thank bill clinton who despite critics warning him this would lead to a major loss in american jobs to china he still pushed hard for it. saying this deal would help china become a more resopnsible and accountable member of the world community) that are making record profits and not paying taxes (G.E being the largest)I belive we have the unions to thank for a big part of it.and we all know what side the unions stands on.to me its no different then us driving an extra ten miles down the road because the fuel is 15 cents cheaper.I belive it does not matter what level you are on its all about the bottom line.the reason i say its no different is because if we dont watch the bottom line then one day we may have to park the truck/van for good.
I can blame the left because i have done my research and see the problems this country faces as a whole lead stright back to the left.
I learned a long time ago to live within my means.not to buy just because i wanted it,and my problems are my own.and only i can fix them.to me when i hear the left talk they are trying to convince me my problems are not my fault and the only way to fix them is with their help.well i say hog wash.

"just remember folks the biggest problem with wealth redistribution is that eventually you run out of everybody elses money"
 
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paullud

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in 2003 and 2005 the bush administration sought to create new banking regulations.Both times it went no where due to democrats. barney frank went so far as to say he wanted to roll the dice on this subprime mortgage thing.
. went on to say "its not like were gonna bail out the banks if they fail"(if you type this in a you tube search you can hear it for yourselfs)

Here is one of the links from a Canadian channel

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cMnSp4qEXNM&feature=youtube_gdata_player

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greg334

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Turtle, paullud,
not discounting the present system we use to collect taxes - a punitive system at best but my point is that both parties and many of the liberals and conservatives alike are talking about the lowering or raising of the tax rate while not doing anything else.

At the same time, you have conservatives screaming about how the left is trying to take all the money away (the entertainers leading the charge) under this administration by using two excuses to justify their twisting of a cliche, letting the bush tax changes expire that is an attack on the rich (which it is not) and by adding more taxes (which is happening but not to fund a handout). Neither is really taking to redistribute wealth because we are not actually taking from those to just give but rather taking to run the government and borrowing to give.

IN addition to that twisted idea of mine, the other problem is that outside of the tea party, no one is actually talking about tax system changes - especially those talking idiots in the entertainment world. They scream about how bad things are going to be or are in some cases while making millions.

Again if we are going to actually have redistribution of wealth, it has to start with the wealthiest among us as it did 90 years ago. Start with a wealth tax on Buffet, Gates and that Apple guy then down the line. Give out the money to the "poor" to have them get those SUVs and 52" TVs for their trailers.
 

asjssl

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Turtle, paullud,
not discounting the present system we use to collect taxes - a punitive system at best but my point is that both parties and many of the liberals and conservatives alike are talking about the lowering or raising of the tax rate while not doing anything else.

At the same time, you have conservatives screaming about how the left is trying to take all the money away (the entertainers leading the charge) under this administration by using two excuses to justify their twisting of a cliche, letting the bush tax changes expire that is an attack on the rich (which it is not) and by adding more taxes (which is happening but not to fund a handout). Neither is really taking to redistribute wealth because we are not actually taking from those to just give but rather taking to run the government and borrowing to give.

IN addition to that twisted idea of mine, the other problem is that outside of the tea party, no one is actually talking about tax system changes - especially those talking idiots in the entertainment world. They scream about how bad things are going to be or are in some cases while making millions.

Again if we are going to actually have redistribution of wealth, it has to start with the wealthiest among us as it did 90 years ago. Start with a wealth tax on Buffet, Gates and that Apple guy then down the line. Give out the money to the "poor" to have them get those SUVs and 52" TVs for their trailers.



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