Randy, here is another thing to consider. Instead of a cargo van, which is like a bread box on wheels, why not consider a 15 passenger window van, which is going to be long enough, and for sure has the load capacity you need. They have heavy duty springs, usually 2 gas tanks, and most importantly, a nice front office, with all the stuff you have to pay extra for in a cargo van, like air, cruise, power windows, and insulation. When you take out the seats, and the seat belt assemblies, you have a great expedite van. Now I don't for a minute suggest you go out and buy a brand new 15 passenger van, but rather look for used units. These are very popular with private schools, hotels, commuter services. Most are leased vehicles, so at about 2 to 3 years they will come back to the leasing company, who sell them off. When you compare the price of a 3 year old bare bones cargo van, with a 3 year old 15 seater, which has all kinds of options that someone else has allready paid for, it becomes a no brainer to chose the 15 passenger, besides if you put dark tint on the windows, no one can see in, but you will have excellent vision on all sides, from the drivers seat. Give a look at one of these next time you are prowling the car lots, and see how you can have what you want, for less money. Cheers, Jim Bunting...