For what it's worth

[layoutshooter]

Here is the statement from the NRA on their meeting with Biden and Co. Keep in mind they have their own agenda, albeit one I agree with, but it kind of rings true.




"Fairfax, Va. – The National Rifle Association of America is made up of over 4 million moms and dads, daughters and sons, who are involved in the national conversation about how to prevent a tragedy like Newtown from ever happening again. We attended today's White House meeting to discuss how to keep our children safe and were prepared to have a meaningful conversation about school safety, mental health issues, the marketing of violence to our kids and the collapse of federal prosecutions of violent criminals.


We were disappointed with how little this meeting had to do with keeping our children safe and how much it had to do with an agenda to attack the Second Amendment. While claiming that no policy proposals would be “prejudged,” this Task Force spent most of its time on proposed restrictions on lawful firearms owners - honest, taxpaying, hardworking Americans. It is unfortunate that this Administration continues to insist on pushing failed solutions to our nation's most pressing problems. We will not allow law-abiding gun owners to be blamed for the acts of criminals and madmen. Instead, we will now take our commitment and meaningful contributions to members of congress of both parties who are interested in having an honest conversation about what works - and what does not.

-NRA-
Established in 1871, the National Rifle Association is America's oldest civil rights and sportsmen's group. Four million members strong, NRA continues to uphold the Second Amendment and advocates enforcement of existing laws against violent offenders to reduce crime. The Association remains the nation's leader in firearm education and training for law-abiding gun owners, law enforcement and the armed services. Be sure to follow the NRA on Facebook atwww.facebook.com/NationalRifleAssociation and on Twitter @NRA."​

 

[LDB]

Anyone who thinks Obama and the rest of the trash care anything at all about children or their safety either has no brain or feces for brains. They do not care one little bit, other than how they can use children to further their agenda. Newtown was not a tragic event, it was a golden opportunity. That is the type of human animals they are.

 

[davekc]

Not really sure why they even met? The outcome and opinions were telegraphed long before their meeting started.

 

[layoutshooter]

They had all the laws they want passed written several years ago. They were just waiting till after the election. They wet their pants with excitement when Sandy Hook took place, it better than their wildest dream. What a chance for them to push their anti freedom, anti Constitutional utopia. Where they control everything and everybody and the people are there to do their bidding. They could have not done any better if they had planned that attack.

 

[Brisco]

Anyone who thinks Obama and the rest of the trash care anything at all about children or their safety either has no brain or feces for brains. They do not care one little bit, other than how they can use children to further their agenda. Newtown was not a tragic event, it was a golden opportunity. That is the type of human animals they are.

And this is exactly the sentiment I had when I posted (over on the other board) that I guarantee you there are People (Liberal Minded You) all over this country.....and probably there in the Obawa Administration itself......that were mourning the Deaths of these Innocent Children out in the public eyes......while at the same time "High Fiving" each other over the deaths of these Innocent Children behind closed doors.

I'm Human......and pretty much astute with Character Observations.....so if this thought has come to my mind.....then again.......I KNOW there are anti-gun Nuts all over this country that believe the deaths of these Innocent Children was the best thing to happen to further enhance their Anti-2nd Ammendment / Anti-Gun Agenda.

 

[witness23]

"Fairfax, Va. – The National Rifle Association of America is made up of over 4 million moms and dads, daughters and sons, who are involved in the national conversation about how to prevent a tragedy like Newtown from ever happening again. We attended today's White House meeting to discuss how to keep our children safe and were prepared to have a meaningful conversation about school safety, mental health issues, the marketing of violence to our kids and the collapse of federal prosecutions of violent criminals.

-NRA-

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Isn't there something missing in that list of concerns to prevent another tragedy like Newtown?

 

[layoutshooter]

Isn't there something missing in that list of concerns to prevent another tragedy like Newtown?

That is SOLELY the job of LOCAL and STATE law enforcement, not the NRA OR the Federal Government.

Creating more criminals will NOT reduce crime rates. That has been proven time and time again. One only has to look at "Prohibition", which at least was an idea that was done LEGALLY under the Constitution, unlike what is being proposed by the anti-gun, anti-Constitution crowd.

One can look at the crime and corruption that prohibition on booze and drinking caused. Then, look at the "war on drugs" It, just as prohibition, has NOT curbed the problem it was meant to attack. It, just as prohibition, has caused massive crime and corruption. As will the illegal attempt to remove or infringe on the RIGHT of the People to keep and bear arms.

Also, keep in mind, that, in the United States, RIGHTS are not "granted" by the government, therefore, government cannot take them away. They have no legal authority to do so.

 

[davekc]

Isn't there something missing in that list of concerns to prevent another tragedy like Newtown?

LOS is correct. The states should be addressing this. As far as preventing a tragedy? Short of arming teachers or having guards at schools, your best hope is only slowing it down. You are not going to stop this kind of insanity through any laws. Evil people do evil things. Just that simple.
Had a armed guard at Columbine and we see how that went.

 

[witness23]

LOS is correct. The states should be addressing this.

I'm sure they are and who say's they're not?

As far as preventing a tragedy? Short of arming teachers or having guards at schools, your best hope is only slowing it down.

You do have some school administrators and teachers doing just that. If the community want's that, they are free to implemant those policies, no one is stopping them. There are armed guards at many schools right now.

The part I hilighted above is also another attempt at prevention. e.g. a ban on high-capacity ammunition magazines, instituting universal background checks for gun buyers, mental health checks, putting into place a national database to track the movement and sale of weapons, along with arming teachers, administrators, armed guards, etc, etc.

I personally don't know if those things will make a difference, but at least come to the table expecting to talk about those ideas. And if you thought those things weren't going to be a part of the talks, then you didn't come to the table “prepared to have a meaningful conversation.”

You are not going to stop this kind of insanity through any laws.

I don't think anyone is saying these things that need to be talked about is going to stop another tragedy. At least not any rational minded persons.

Evil people do evil things. Just that simple.

Indeed. Maybe, just maybe we could make things not so simple for those evil people to act on their evil plans.


I get the argument from both sides.

The NRA is not about protecting your 2nd amendment rights, they are all about the money. God Bless 'em, they know their audience well.

BTW........the Government is not coming for your guns, simple as that.

 

[layoutshooter]

What part of a ban on "assault weapons" , what ever they are, is LEGAL under the Constitution? What part of magazine size restrictions is LEGAL under the Constitution? What part of a 'possible' executive order by Obama is to OUTLAW "assault rifles" is LEGAL under the Constitution?

I don't even see how 'background checks' are legal. The idea that the government ASSUMES the guilt of an individual who CHOOSES to exercise he RIGHT to keep and bear arms and therefor must PROVE he is innocent to do so? EVIL.

As to 'mental illness' being a disqualifier for gun owner ship, be VERY careful. MANY evil leaders have used the "excuse" of mental illness or feeble minded to lock up and or kill millions in the last century. Often that mental illness was disagreeing with the evil that ruled that country.

There are only TWO LEGAL ways to ban or restrict firearm ownership. Obama chooses to IGNORE those two LEGAL options and is trying to go the ILLEGAL road, in other words, OUTSIDE of the Constitution.


"The part I hilighted above is also another attempt at prevention. e.g. a ban on high-capacity ammunition magazines, instituting universal background checks for gun buyers, mental health checks, putting into place a national database to track the movement and sale of weapons, along with arming teachers, administrators, armed guards, etc, etc."

What part of ANY of what you said in the above is LEGAL, at the FEDERAL level, under the Constitution? IF you think any of it is, please cite where that can be found.


Also, I find it AMAZING that ANYONE would believe that by making criminals out of law abiding citizens will lower crime rates. Please explain how that would work?

 

[Brisco]

BTW........the Government is not coming for your guns, simple as that.

........and who say's they're not?

 

[layoutshooter]

Obama and Feinstein say they are.

 

[davekc]

Same problem with defining the mentally ill. What is mentally ill? Who defines it? Is the person who took prozac 5 years ago for depression to be denied his rights? Dangerous area to go in to.
And of course Biden has already said that he isn't sure if anything they do would change the outcome of a Sandy Hook. So why change anything until you have that answer if the results are to be the same? It is all about the agenda. As far as the NRA and money, not much. Their revenue stream will stay where it is now. The big winners will regulated gun stores. The biggest being Walmart. No more buying something at a gun show.

 

[layoutshooter]

NOTHING they do will slow the sales of guns. The black market will pick up the slack. Just as it did with booze and drugs. Raise taxes on cigarettes? Black market sales increased.

ONLY fools believe that attempts to control people with laws stops the problems they wish to control.

Outlawing guns will be a GREAT business opportunity for anyone who wants to make a VERY good living.

Taxes and outlawing booze did not work, we STILL have revenuers running around chasing moonshiners.

 

[iceroadtrucker]

NOTHING they do will slow the sales of guns. The black market will pick up the slack. Just as it did with booze and drugs. Raise taxes on cigarettes? Black market sales increased.

ONLY fools believe that attempts to control people with laws stops the problems they wish to control.

Outlawing guns will be a GREAT business opportunity for anyone who wants to make a VERY good living.

Taxes and outlawing booze did not work, we STILL have revenuers running around chasing moonshiners.

Layshooter why not the Govt controls farming by way of Cooperate American Farms owned by Cooperations
Trucking is going the same way. More and more Companies are getting into it and the Co are buying there own Trailers in the Specialized Exped sector and the the others are Leasing trucks where the MGT Miss Guided Truckers are paying to pull freight, this is cutting the Rates. Govt wants our guns oh they say high capacity Mags trying to make them illegal, kinda stupid as semi automatic weapons are not that of military how ever fully automatic are. AR15 is semi Auto where its big brother the M-16 counter part can be switched to fully auto. The 15 round mags for a 9mm barretta want said to be ilegal crazy crap from ones that most likely never touched one. Just like women that heads the FMCSA she never drove a truck but sits head of the program that makes the rules. HMM and if we let them like farming and the Trucking Industry that head down that Dictator ship road our Guns as we know it will be theirs if we let them!! Sad it is but true. the only thing we can do is stand united and say WRONG ANSWER NO YOUR NOT!! You can agree or not But that is what mostlikely we will have to do, sad it is our Freedom is less and less and Democracy and Rights set & given by our founding fathers is slowly being swept away and with thunderous applause.

 

[layoutshooter]

WE can fight. When gets bad enough, millions will. Much better than being a slave.