Fast and Furious Records Sealed....

Turtle

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Retired Expediter
In a perfect, Obamaless world, you might be correct but that's not what we're living in now, is is.......just sayin'
I'm correct regardless. In a perfect, Obamaless world, you likely wouldn't blindly believe the words of a Bloggin' moron. I'm just sayin'...
 

dieseldiva

Veteran Expediter
Hers is a little more of the story.The way I am reading it is the only thing sealed is the case against the shooter.The thing that bothers me about it being sealed is that the judge also sealed his reasoning behing sealing it.


Armed illegals stalked Border Patrol - Washington Times


In other F&F news they only people that seem to be showing any Morals at all in this are the ones that are being punished.


'Fast And Furious' Whistleblowers Struggle Six Months After Testifying Against ATF Program | Fox News

Your first link would match what they've been saying the past few days, that there's bounties on the heads of our border agents. If that is so, isn't the administration guilty of being an accomplice??
 

dieseldiva

Veteran Expediter
I'm correct regardless. In a perfect, Obamaless world, you likely wouldn't blindly believe the words of a Bloggin' moron. I'm just sayin'...

Excuse me, what part of the story is untrue that I "blindly believed" from a blogger?? Here's a short part of the story linked above from the Washington Times, or is that a blog too??

A now-sealed federal grand jury indictment in the death of Border Patrol agent Brian A. Terry says the Mexican nationals were “patrolling” the rugged desert area of Peck Canyon at about 11:15 p.m. on Dec. 14 with the intent to “intentionally and forcibly assault” Border Patrol agents.

You're doing it again.......
 

Turtle

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Hers is a little more of the story.The way I am reading it is the only thing sealed is the case against the shooter.The thing that bothers me about it being sealed is that the judge also sealed his reasoning behing sealing it.
When a judge seals a case, he must write a decision giving his reasons, and for each reason he must list the details of the case which prompted his decision in order to justify his reasons. If he didn't seal his decision, and therefore his reasons along with it, then sealing the case would be moot, literally. Not sure why that would bother you. It's pretty standard.
 

tbubster

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When a judge seals a case, he must write a decision giving his reasons, and for each reason he must list the details of the case which prompted his decision in order to justify his reasons. If he didn't seal his decision, and therefore his reasons along with it, then sealing the case would be moot, literally. Not sure why that would bother you. It's pretty standard.

It bothers me because this whole mess smells very bad.And seeing as how the tax payers on on the hook for all of it we have a right to know why one person decided this is the right thing to do.Also in sealing why he did sealed it he also hides the fact that some party may have asked for the records to be sealed.Which would then lead to questions of why did they asked for it to be sealed.Its a real easy way to cover things up in an attempt to save face.
 

Turtle

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Excuse me, what part of the story is untrue that I "blindly believed" from a blogger??
The part about the Obama administration sealing the court records. It's untrue and you believed it (still do, probably).

Here's a short part of the story linked above from the Washington Times, or is that a blog too??[/quote]No, it's not a Blog. The fact that the Washington Times mentions the now-sealed indictment in no way indicates the DOJ (as you tried to assert) or the Obama administration sealed it. Please provide the quote from the Washington Times where it even hinted at the Obama administration being the one who sealed the court records. You can't, because there isn't one. It's something the Blogger made up. When the judge ordered the court records to be sealed, the indictment itself, being part of those records and containing details to support the charges, was also sealed. It happens every time a judge seals court records. In reading some of the responses here, it's like our system of justice is unknown to a lot of people and they are just now finding out how things work. Judges seal records, indictments and their reasons for sealing them all the time. Sheesh.

You're doing it again.......
Have you ever even read the full text of a grand jury indictment of a murder case? Never mind, it's rhetorical. It contains the details of each allegation (fancy word for being accused of, yet not tried and convicted of) and as such must be sealed as part of the court records when the presiding judge orders the records sealed.
 
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