extra pay
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My policy is that time pay, i.e. detention, layover etc., is split 50/50 because an hour of detention is an hour for the operators as well as an hour for the truck/owner. For people pay, i.e. hand loading etc. it goes 100% to the operators unless I happen to be at the same dock at the same time and I help in which case it would be 2/3-1/3. It's pretty much whatever the owner and operators agree on as outlined in the contract.
I think the answers so far may be misinterpreting the OP's question.
I've been leased to a few different carriers over the years. Some passed 100% of the accessorials on to the contractor. At least one of the carriers kept a percentage of the accessorials. It's a trade off. Guess which one of those companies would fight for accessorial pay like a dog going after a bone? Yep...the one who was gonna get a share of it. Others...the 100% pass through... it can be a waste of time even mentioning it with some of those guys.
As far as who does what....read your contract.
I've been leased to a few different carriers over the years. Some passed 100% of the accessorials on to the contractor. At least one of the carriers kept a percentage of the accessorials. It's a trade off. Guess which one of those companies would fight for accessorial pay like a dog going after a bone? Yep...the one who was gonna get a share of it. Others...the 100% pass through... it can be a waste of time even mentioning it with some of those guys.
As far as who does what....read your contract.
Depends on where the money is coming from, the fleet owner or the carrier. <wink, wink>
The OP didn't really make it clear if this was money split between owner and driver, or between carrier and truck.
Generally, whatever the customer pays the carrier, the carrier will then pay a percentage, say 62%, to the truck. How the money is then split up between the truck and the driver is up to the owner.
There you go, you get 100%. Now all you need to know is 100% of what.
runrunner
Veteran Expediter
Some may disagree but my take on this is. If I make an agreement with a truck owner to do a 60/40 or a 40/60 split that means everything the truck earns is split except the fuel surcharge,which goes to whoever pays the fuel. I don't think it is unfair to split even hand unload pay with the owner because you could not earn it without the truck,and that extra pay is part of the run pay anyway.
I'm one that would disagree with you and favor Leo's position. It really doesn't matter what you, me or Leo thinks. The important thing is for the driver and owner to agree on specific terms and get it in writing before an extra pay situation arises.
The part I agree on is that when you make an agreement with an owner both parties should live up to their agreement. I don't agree on some of the splits though. At least for the time being, an hour is an hour for everyone. The operators are losing an hour of earning time as is the owner. They lose equally so they should be paid equally, 50/50.
The guy operating the forklift to load and unload the truck doesn't split his pay with the company although they provide the forklift. The postman doesn't split pay with the post office that provides the vehicle. Drivers shouldn't be expected to give up money for something they 100% earned by their labor. My opinion only. YMMV
The guy operating the forklift to load and unload the truck doesn't split his pay with the company although they provide the forklift. The postman doesn't split pay with the post office that provides the vehicle. Drivers shouldn't be expected to give up money for something they 100% earned by their labor. My opinion only. YMMV
runrunner
Veteran Expediter
Yea but the examples you give are hourly employes big difference. I agree that the correct answer is whatever the parties agree on is whats right. My only point is I think the Truck owner is entitled to make a little extra to,after all they bear the baulk of the truck expenses,so I don't mind sharing my labor pay with them. I think an owner should get a piece of everything the truck makes but that is just me.By the way I have always driven someone's truck never owned my own.
Which is why I find it strange than an independent contractor would so willingly give up part of his labor to a fleet owner, who is not his employer. In a 60/40 split the truck already earns it's fair share of its own labor, be that labor in carrying the freight, or sitting for detention, or in a paid empty move, or even in debris removal. But the truck cannot load itself or do an inside delivery, and as Leo suggests, really shouldn't be paid for it. The only thing I disagree with Leo on is the 50/50 split on time lost, since it's a 60/40 split on time earned. I think detention and layover should be 60/40, same as loaded miles.
runrunner
Veteran Expediter
I guess i'm considered foolish cause i have even done mechanic work on a truck without being paid. I have arrived at a pick up only to find I have to hand load the truck,I do whatever it takes to get that load. I will tell dispatch I had to hand load and sometimes gotten paid sometimes not. Doesn't matter I wanted that load or would not have accepted it in the first place. If you share that labor pay with the owner whats the big deal how often does it happen anyway. I come from the old school "if you only do what you are paid to do your only worth what your paid." I have split labor with owners and have had owners so no it is yours. I am just saying I don't think it is unfair for the owner to get a share of the earnings,except the fuel surcharge that goes to whoever pays fuel.
If it's fair for the owner to get 40% of the hand load money for work he didn't perform then it should be fair for the owner to get 40% of the fuel money for fuel he didn't buy. It's no different. The owner is getting some of the money that the operator legitimately earned by the operator's action whether paying for the fuel or loading the freight.
Oh, and you call dispatch before loading so they can hopefully get you paid for it. If they can't you still can do it for free but if it's already done they're much less likely to get any extra for it. With the big guys they won't even try. They just say too bad you should have called first.
Oh, and you call dispatch before loading so they can hopefully get you paid for it. If they can't you still can do it for free but if it's already done they're much less likely to get any extra for it. With the big guys they won't even try. They just say too bad you should have called first.
chefjesse
Active Expediter
Yeah but the place she's signed on with takes 30% before she gets it. That is the main reason I asked this question.
Now I feel that the truck should get 100% and then owner and driver agree to a a % of split from that.