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layoutshooter

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Mr. Peace Prize, Barrack Obama, continues to expand US Military presence world wide. He is, and has been, looking to engage in military operations every chance he can. Most of his moves have been 'covered up'. There has been little reporting on his moves and what reporting there is has either totally lied about what is going on or greatly down played it.

This article is a good example. They talk about sending 'small teams' into as many as 35 African Nations, NEXT YEAR. The reality is that several "Stryker Brigades" are already in Africa and troop numbers are growing at an alarming rate. It was over two years ago that training switched from training for Iran/Iraq to an "African Conflict".



Army teams going to Africa as terror threat grows



WASHINGTON (AP) — A U.S. Army brigade will begin sending small teams into as many as 35African nations early next year, part of an intensifying Pentagon effort to train countries to battle extremists and give the U.S. a ready and trained force to dispatch to Africa if crises requiring the U.S. military emerge.


The teams will be limited to training and equipping efforts, and will not be permitted to conduct military operations without specific, additional approvals from the secretary of defense.


The sharper focus on Africa by the U.S. comes against a backdrop of widespread insurgent violence across North Africa, and as the African Union and other nations discuss military intervention in northern Mali.


The terror threat from al-Qaida linked groups in Africa has been growing steadily, particularly with the rise of the extremist Islamist sect Boko Haram in Nigeria. Officials also believe that the Sept. 11 attack on the U.S. consulate in Benghazi, which killed the ambassador and three other Americans, may have been carried out by those who had ties to al-Qaida in the Islamic Maghreb.


This first-of-its-kind brigade assignment — involving teams from the 2nd Brigade, 1st Infantry Division — will target countries such as Libya, Sudan, Algeria and Niger, where al-Qaida-linked groups have been active. It also will assist nations like Kenya and Uganda that have been battling al-Shabab militants on the front lines in Somalia.


Gen. Carter Ham, the top U.S. commander in Africa, noted that the brigade has a small drone capability that could be useful in Africa. But he also acknowledged that he would need special permission to tap it for that kind of mission.


"If they want them for (military) operations, the brigade is our first sourcing solution because they're prepared," said Gen. David Rodriguez, the head of U.S. Army Forces Command. "But that has to go back to the secretary of defense to get an execute order."


Already the U.S. military has plans for nearly 100 different exercises, training programs and other activities across the widely diverse continent. But the new program faces significant cultural and language challenges, as well as nagging questions about how many of the lower-level enlisted members of the brigade, based in Fort Riley, Kan., will participate, since the teams would largely be made up of more senior enlisted troops and officers. A full brigade numbers about 3,500, but the teams could range from just a few people to a company of about 200. In rare cases for certain exercises, it could be a battalion, which would number about 800.


To bridge the cultural gaps with the African militaries, the Army is reaching out across the services, the embassies and a network of professional organizations to find troops and experts that are from some of the African countries. The experts can be used during training, and the troops can both advise or travel with the teams as they begin the program.


"In a very short time frame we can only teach basic phrases," said Col. Matthew McKenna, commander of the 162nd Infantry Brigade that will begin training the Fort Riley soldiers in March for their African deployment. "We focus on culture and the cultural impact — how it impacts the African countries' military and their operations."


Thomas Dempsey, a professor with the Africa Center for Strategic Studies, said the biggest challenge will be the level of cultural, language and historical diversity across the far-flung continent.


"How do you train for that in a way that would be applicable wherever they go?" said Dempsey, a retired Army colonel. He said he's not sure using a combat brigade is the right answer, but added, "I'm not sure what the answer is. The security challenges differ so dramatically that, to be honest, I really don't think it's feasible to have a continental training package."


The Pentagon's effort in Africa, including the creation of U.S. Africa Command in 2007, has been carefully calibrated, largely due to broad misgivings across the continent that it could spawn American bases or create the perception of an undue U.S. military influence there. As a result, the command has been based in Stuttgart, Germany, rather than on the African continent.


At the same time, many African nations are eager for U.S. training or support, as they work to build their militaries, battle pirates along the coast and shut down drug trafficking, kidnapping and other insurgent activities.


McKenna acknowledged the challenge, but said the military has to tap its conventional fighting forces for this task because there aren't enough special operations forces to meet the global training needs. He said there will be as many as a dozen different training segments between February and September, each designed to provide tailored instruction for the particular teams.


The mission for the 2nd Brigade — known as the "Dagger Brigade" — will begin in the spring and will pave the way for Army brigades to be assigned next to U.S. Pacific Command and then to U.S. European Command over the next year. The brigade is receiving its regular combat training first, and then will move on to the more specific instruction needed for the deployments, such as language skills, cultural information and other data about the African nations.


Dagger Brigade commander Col. Jeff Broadwater said the language and culture training will be different than what most soldiers have had in recent years, since they have focused on Pashtun and Farsi, languages used mostly in Afghanistan and Iran. He said he expects the soldiers to learn French, Swahili, Arabic or other languages, as well as the local cultures.


"What's really exciting is we get to focus on a different part of the world and maintain our core combat skills," Broadwater said, adding that the soldiers know what to expect. "You see those threats (in Africa) in the news all the time."


The brigade will be carved up into different teams designed to meet the specific needs of each African nation. As the year goes on, the teams will travel from Fort Riley to those nations — all while trying to avoid any appearance of a large U.S. military footprint.


"The challenge we have is to always understand the system in their country," said Rodriguez, who has been nominated to be the next head of Africa Command. "We're not there to show them our system, we're there to make their system work. Here is what their army looks like, and here is what we need to prepare them to do."


Rodriguez said the nearly 100 assignments so far requested by Ham will be carried out with "a very small footprint to get the high payoff."








Army teams going to Africa as terror threat grows - Yahoo! News
 

davekc

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Shouldn't be in any of those places. We are broke. As in NO money. We have to stop being the world's police dept. The US presence there will accomplish nothing.
 

scottm4211

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Shouldn't be in any of those places. We are broke. As in NO money. We have to stop being the world's police dept. The US presence there will accomplish nothing.

I agree with that notion even if there was a huge surplus of cash.
 

layoutshooter

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Retired Expediter
What do you expect, there is a Democrat in office. Democrats have been the "party of war" for ages.
 

RLENT

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What do you expect, there is a Democrat in office. Democrats have been the "party of war" for ages.
Membership in the "War Party" isn't exclusive to Democrats ... just as Republicans are not excluded from the "Welfare Party" ...

As you yourself have frequently remarked, neither one of them is worth an ounce of spit ...
 

layoutshooter

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Retired Expediter
Membership in the "War Party" isn't exclusive to Democrats ... just as Republicans are not excluded from the "Welfare Party" ...

As you yourself have frequently remarked, neither one of them is worth an ounce of spit ...

You are correct.

The fact still remains that most major conflicts we have been involved in since the Civil War have started while a Democrat was in the office of president. Including what is going on in the Middle East now. That is what I was speaking of.

As you say, I have NO USE for either the Demoncrats or the Rumbumlicans. Both parties are corrupt and both seek the same end. THEIR power and glory.
 

RLENT

Veteran Expediter
The fact still remains that most major conflicts we have been involved in since the Civil War have started while a Democrat was in the office of president.
No argument there ... and it's well worth noting (... because it is true ...)

Including what is going on in the Middle East now. That is what I was speaking of.
That depends on how you look at it - one could argue that some (all ?) of what is going on is merely a continuation of Bush's previous policies from the WOT - a fact which certainly doesn't absolve Obama for his expansion of it.

There's little doubt in my mind that supposed "humanitarian interventionists" (Obama, Hillary, Rice, Albright, etc.) can be every bit as bad as the flip side of the coin ...

In some ways they can even be worse ... because being labelled as "doves" or perceived as "weak" they seek to prove that they are not ...

As you say, I have NO USE for either the Demoncrats or the Rumbumlicans. Both parties are corrupt and both seek the same end. THEIR power and glory.
Yupper ... it's nearly enough to make one physically ill ...
 

Moot

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Shouldn't be in any of those places. We are broke. As in NO money. We have to stop being the world's police dept. The US presence there will accomplish nothing.
David, David, David, we are in Africa to train, teach and advise. This is the 21st. century not the 1960's of the 20th century. This is Africa, not Southeast Asia. We have Obama and Panetta, not Kennedy and McNamara. We are dealing with terrorists, real terrorists, not some nebulous commie threat.

How could a training and advisory role in Africa ever turn into a long drawn out, expensive war? This is, this is, this is like the twentyteens or something. It isn't the 1960's. We've got Obama leading us, not some Peace Corp, Commie hating president like Kennedy. Going into Africa is like a righteous thing dude. We're just trying to show them how to kill people efficiently and with little political fallout. Okay, so we make a buck on armaments, hey that's capitalism.


The terror threat from al-Qaida linked groups in Africa has been growing steadily, particularly with the rise of the extremist Islamist sect Boko Haram in Nigeria. that have been battling al-Shabab militants on the front lines in Somalia.

Cool man! Boko Haram was a favorite band of mine in my youth! Maybe these lines from Whiter Shade Of Pale are like relevant or something:

She said, "There is no reason
And the truth is plain to see."

But I wandered through my playing cards
And they would not let her be
One of sixteen vestal virgins
Who were leaving for the coast

And although my eyes were open wide
They might have just as well been closed
 

RLENT

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Having what is below as part of your record removes any possibility whatsoever of speaking with moral authority on the murder of children:

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skyraider

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US Navy
That little Asian war I got to participate in, started just like this Africa thing, WE DON'T NEED TO BE THERE! What a can of Kudzu this is gonna be. I cannot believe that the General Staff is for this nonsense, just can't believe it. The protest over this war / involvement I will maybe just have to be a protestor against sending troops in,,,,by the way, who are we suppose to be fighting and what African country has a huge Army and Navy and Airforce. This must be a grass hut war. Come on , door to door on the Plains of Africa, gezzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzz. Way to much jungle war there, we tried that once and did not do welllllllllllllllllllllllllll Viet Nam,,,,here we come....IMHO
 
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layoutshooter

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"That depends on how you look at it - one could argue that some (all ?) of what is going on is merely a continuation of Bush's previous policies from the WOT - a fact which certainly doesn't absolve Obama for his expansionof it."


I believe that you have to go back MUCH further than Bush or even Carter to find the roots of our problems in the Middle East. Then again, I tend to go back as far as I can on all these issues. Most of the problems we have started with Truman. Even those in the middle east.

The realities of today go back decades and even centuries. Mankind is a short lived species but the problems he faces are slow to develop and even harder to solve.
 

layoutshooter

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Retired Expediter
That little Asian war I got to participate in, started just like this Africa thing, WE DON'T NEED TO BE THERE! What a can of Kudzu this is gonna be. I cannot believe that the General Staff is for this nonsense, just can't believe it. The protest over this war / involvement I will maybe just have to be a protestor against sending troops in,,,,by the way, who are we suppose to be fighting and what African country has a huge Army and Navy and Airforce. This must be a grass hut war. Come on , door to door on the Plains of Africa, gezzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzz. Way to much jungle war there, we tried that once and did not do welllllllllllllllllllllllllll Viet Nam,,,,here we come....IMHO

That "little Asian War" was slightly different than this. In Vietnam, as well as the PI, Cambodia, Korea and dozens of other places we were fighting the Soviets. All of those 'wars' were more or less theaters of operation of the Cold War. They were not separate actions.

Was it handled right? Nope. Was it an easy call? Nope. One can argue the idea of ever fighting the "Cold War" but it does not change the fact that we faced the same enemy every where we went. Even had direct combat involvement with the Soviets in Vietnam. There was at least one Soviet Ace fighter pilots, and for the most part the Soviets manned the antiaircraft batteries. There were a few Chinese ACE fighter pilots there as well.

THIS mess may be a lot different.
 
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