EU and US free-trade talks launched

EnglishLady

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I'm surprised that no-one has posted this yet :rolleyes:

BBC News - EU and US free-trade talks launched

The European Union and the US will begin formal talks on a free-trade agreement, paving the way for the biggest trade deal in history. European Commission President Jose Manuel Barroso made the announcement following President Barack Obama's State of the Union address.
A deal would bring down trading barriers between the two biggest economies in the world.
EU-US trade is worth around 455bn euros (£393bn; $613bn) a year.
"A future deal between the world's two most important economic powers will be a game-changer, giving a strong boost to our economies on both sides of the Atlantic," said Mr Barroso, speaking in Brussels.
The EU estimates that a "comprehensive and ambitious agreement" will boost annual GDP growth by 0.5%.
Mr Obama announced US support for talks as part of his annual address to the US Congress on Tuesday, saying a free-trade deal would "boost American exports, support American jobs and level the playing field in the growing markets of Asia".
It is not clear how long the talks will take, but similar trade deals have involved years of negotiations, and the BBC's Gavin Hewitt in Brussels says the most optimistic timeframe given by European officials is two years.


A US-EU working group was established in 2011 to discuss the prospect of a free-trade agreement.
Low tariffs EU Trade Commissioner Karel De Gucht told the BBC that free trade between the US and the EU had been under discussion for several years, and said he hoped talks would begin in the summer.
But he admitted that the negotiations would be "difficult" and "complex", but he warned: "As the two biggest economies in the world, failure is not an option."
The EU says the deal will focus on bringing down remaining tariffs and other barriers to trade, and standardise technical regulations and certifications.
Currently the US and EU impose relatively low tariffs on goods traded between them, but analysts say other barriers are often in place to prevent European companies competing in the US and vice versa.
One example is found in the car industry, where the EU and the US employ equally strict - but differing - safety standards, meaning that European car makers must meet both before they can sell cars in the US market, putting them at a disadvantage.
Mr De Gucht estimates that such barriers are equivalent to a traditional imports tariff of 10-20%.

Rise of China

Agriculture is also likely to be a significant bone of contention. The European farming industry is already heavily subsidised through the Common Agricultural Policy, and the European agriculture minister has already expressed reservations about the impact a free-trade deal might have.
The US government is also likely to come under pressure from domestic businesses who have in the past called for protectionist measures to prevent the market from being swamped by cheaper Chinese imports.
The EU has already said that certain "sensitive" sectors will require more negotiation but said no sectors would be excluded from the deal completely.
The chief European economist at Barclays, Philippe Gudin, suggested that the emergence of China as an economic power along with other emerging markets has encouraged the US and Europe to unify in order to remain economic leaders.
Mr De Gucht denied that they were seeking to combat Chinese growth, saying: "We are the leading economies and it's important that we remain the leaders, but in a way that allows others to develop."
Steve Davies from the Institute of Economic Affairs, a think tank, said he believed the economic crisis in Europe was a far more important factor.
"It's happening now because there has been seriously depressed growth in the EU, and this will be good news for economic growth," he said.
"On the American side, the critical factor is that Obama is now in his second term, so he doesn't have the protectionist pressures from US businesses to worry about."
 

layoutshooter

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OH GOODY! Just what we need, more 'involvement' with Europe. The last line says it all. They are in love with a government controlled American economy. We don't want European socialism here, at those of us who believe in freedom don't.

"On the American side, the critical factor is that Obama is now in his second term, so he doesn't have the protectionist pressures from US businesses to worry about."
 

EnglishLady

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OH GOODY! Just what we need, more 'involvement' with Europe. The last line says it all. They are in love with a government controlled American economy. We don't want European socialism here, at those of us who believe in freedom don't.

"On the American side, the critical factor is that Obama is now in his second term, so he doesn't have the protectionist pressures from US businesses to worry about."

LOL, I thought we were talking about opening up US/EU trade - where did socialism come into that?

No, never mind :p

Don't you think opening up this route will help the economy?
 

layoutshooter

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Retired Expediter
LOL, I thought we were talking about opening up US/EU trade - where did socialism come into that?

No, never mind :p

Don't you think opening up this route will help the economy?

No, I don't. Every "free trade" agreement we have entered into has cost us jobs. On top of that Europe will then start to "force" us to meet even MORE of their bogus environmental foolishness further driving up costs and putting more American's out of work. I don't trust Europe's governments as far as I can throw them. Double that for France.

Besides Europe is WAY past due for a war! :p
 

EnglishLady

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No, I don't. Every "free trade" agreement we have entered into has cost us jobs. On top of that Europe will then start to "force" us to meet even MORE of their bogus environmental foolishness further driving up costs and putting more American's out of work. I don't trust Europe's governments as far as I can throw them. Double that for France.

Besides Europe is WAY past due for a war! :p

Like it LOL ..... :rolleyes:

As for war ..... ta very much, but no thanks :)
 

layoutshooter

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Well there was that little problem in former Yugoslavia not so long ago ... so I think Europe is ok for a while.

That don't count. Too small. Besides unless France is getting smoked by Germany it ain't real! :p When Europe blows up this time I am all for us staying home. :cool:
 

moose

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as expected the BBC is leading the minds of 'the island' so they can vote as their Gov. want them to. kind of like the 'free press' 'main stream media' we have here.
on the ballade this spring in England there's a vote to depart from the EU, and EVERY economy news post till then is aimed at spinning them voters.
here's a few hints.
the US/EU are NOT 'the world's two most important economic powers', last quarter China surpass US as the larges one.
the US$ & the Euro together are failing to be the world currency reserve.
all throughout history, a tariff reduction policy comes after an interest reduction & just before a FIAT currency fail.{normally a war that ends an empire}.
a strong tariff protect a country job-place, but without a strong currency, a strong tariff cannot hold. Obama simply lied. & the BBC failed to call him on it. it's the vary basic of global economy. there's no way that the BBC do not know about this. it's simple. they choose NOT to call him on it.
it's a joke, there's no way that this can be good for our country.
the problem is that it is too late to tariff China because they own us already, so an EU tariff reduction might sound good on paper, but avoid solving the real problem.
it's a 'time buy' at best & a bad news for our children's @ worst.
& LOS, it's not about bringing the failed EU economy to our doorsteps, it's about flushing the EU with OUR economy.
brit's will do well to vote their way away from the EU/US.
but you wont read this on the BBC...
 

EnglishLady

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as expected the BBC is leading the minds of 'the island' so they can vote as their Gov. want them to. kind of like the 'free press' 'main stream media' we have here.
Its either you or me thats confused by that statement :confused:
on the ballade this spring in England there's a vote to depart from the EU, and EVERY economy news post till then is aimed at spinning them voters.
here's a few hints.
There is to be a referendum after the next election only IF the Conservatives get back in to power. The Labour Party have not made any such promise
the US/EU are NOT 'the world's two most important economic powers', last quarter China surpass US as the larges one.
As I read it that is one of the points of the trade talks - to stem that flow
the US$ & the Euro together are failing to be the world currency reserve.
all throughout history, a tariff reduction policy comes after an interest reduction & just before a FIAT currency fail.{normally a war that ends an empire}.
a strong tariff protect a country job-place, but without a strong currency, a strong tariff cannot hold. Obama simply lied. & the BBC failed to call him on it.it's the vary basic of global economy. there's no way that the BBC do not know about this. it's simple. they choose NOT to call him on it.
I don't believe it is the position of a newspaper to call anything - just report the news
it's a joke, there's no way that this can be good for our country.
the problem is that it is too late to tariff China because they own us already, so an EU tariff reduction might sound good on paper, but avoid solving the real problem.
it's a 'time buy' at best & a bad news for our children's @ worst.
& LOS, it's not about bringing the failed EU economy to our doorsteps, it's about flushing the EU with OUR economy.
brit's will do well to vote their way away from the EU/US.
but you wont read this on the BBC...
When the time does come you will indeed read it on the BBC

Not sure if everyone understands but Britain/UK/England (whatever you know it as) is only a member of the EU ... it is not THE EU.

If you want to blame anyone, Brussels is the place
:)
 

layoutshooter

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All they want is free reign to sell their subsidized goods here and not have to buy ours. They will CLAIM to open their markets but they will slap a new wave of garbage environmental regulations on that won't be able to met for a decade or so and Obama will call it fair trade. :rolleyes:
 

moose

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Sue, i love studying world currency's. the Pound dose not act same as the Euro.
last month Obama stated that he will not interfere with England's political decision if to dump the Euro currency and stick to the pound or not.
his actions 24 hours ago clearly aimed at forcing England to stick to the Euro. if he gets his way the referendum will never take place.
look @ what happen to the GBP in the last 24 hours :Exchange Rates Graph (British Pound, US Dollar) - X-Rates
it's a dive, everybuddy know that. England is been led to the grave by the Obama leash.
 

EnglishLady

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Sue, i love studying world currency's. the Pound dose not act same as the Euro.
last month Obama stated that he will not interfere with England's political decision if to dump the Euro currency and stick to the pound or not.
his actions 24 hours ago clearly aimed at forcing England to stick to the Euro. if he gets his way the referendum will never take place.
look @ what happen to the GBP in the last 24 hours :Exchange Rates Graph (British Pound, US Dollar) - X-Rates
it's a dive, everybuddy know that. England is been led to the grave by the Obama leash.

And I applaud the fact that you are trying to understand the EU Moose (you'll have to explain it to me sometime lol :p), but ......

England has NEVER, and never will take up the Euro currency, we have always kept GBP, and no-one but no-one will change the UK Citizens mind on that.

Last I read Mr O wanted us to stay a member of the EU because he thought it stabilised the EU .... I personally don't think so .... we tend to argue a bit too much for Brussels liking :rolleyes:

As for the Pound against the dollar its actually pretty good at 1.55 GBP to the dollar, highest it has been in the past year is 1.636, but it does usually average around the 1.56 mark.
I keep an eye on this too :p
 
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