England and gun confiscation,,,
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EnglishLady
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LOL
Why go to another Country, I think you have enough on your plate about guns & democrats here in the USA?
Just for the record that was initially a demonstration on the hunting ban which the majority on the UK supports.
Frank Cook was a rebel MP.
Tony Martin, unfortunately did a couple naughties ...not only did he not have a weapons license, he did not shoot in self defence but after the burglars left .... shooting one in the back.
Poll after poll shows that UK citizens do not want firearms or our police armed.
I know that is probably hard for you to understand .... but it is what it is
Thought I would clear that up for you
Now back to the US and your guns ..... carry on
Why go to another Country, I think you have enough on your plate about guns & democrats here in the USA?
Just for the record that was initially a demonstration on the hunting ban which the majority on the UK supports.
Frank Cook was a rebel MP.
Tony Martin, unfortunately did a couple naughties ...not only did he not have a weapons license, he did not shoot in self defence but after the burglars left .... shooting one in the back.
Poll after poll shows that UK citizens do not want firearms or our police armed.
I know that is probably hard for you to understand .... but it is what it is
Thought I would clear that up for you
Now back to the US and your guns ..... carry on
In England, you police ARE armed, they just don't ALWAYS carry them. Your military is ARMED, and so is any criminal that wants to be. It is ONLY the law abiding citizen that is not. I would also bet that most Englishmen, and "Brits" in general don't even know enough about their own history to understand how it ended up this way.
Hunting ban? Trying to make sure that there is even LESS game than the little there is now, eh? LOL!! Funny, the countries that have hunting traditions have the most stable wildlife populations and the greatest levels of habitat conservation. Those without those traditions, have neither.
Hunting ban? Trying to make sure that there is even LESS game than the little there is now, eh? LOL!! Funny, the countries that have hunting traditions have the most stable wildlife populations and the greatest levels of habitat conservation. Those without those traditions, have neither.
EnglishLady
Veteran Expediter
No our police are not armed.
We have a division of armed police that are called out when necessary.
Those armed police also patrol our major airports and other important sites.
Any further questions on this I could always ask my son, who is a Policeman
I should certainly hope our Military is armed ..... not much point to having a Military otherwise is there
Ripping a fox to pieces, after blocking off its den, and then smothering its blood all over your face is not sport!
As I have already mentioned ... poll after poll showed that Law Abiding Citizens DO NOT WANT TO BE ARMED.
As I said I realise that that is a difficult concept for USA Citizens that believe it is a Right to be armed .... We are not the US.
mohawk
Active Expediter
I know from some of the brits I worked with overseas that there are still quite a few firearm enthusiasts there. Also from personal experience I know that there is a pretty large portion of competitive shooters that hail from the UK.
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No our police are not armed.
We have a division of armed police that are called out when necessary.
Those armed police also patrol our major airports and other important sites.
Any further questions on this I could always ask my son, who is a Policeman
I should certainly hope our Military is armed ..... not much point to having a Military otherwise is there
Ripping a fox to pieces, after blocking off its den, and then smothering its blood all over your face is not sport!
As I have already mentioned ... poll after poll showed that Law Abiding Citizens DO NOT WANT TO BE ARMED.
As I said I realise that that is a difficult concept for USA Citizens that believe it is a Right to be armed .... We are not the US.
Armed is armed. Just because it is not the entire force changes nothing. There should be NO armed police or military operating in the UK. That insures total power of the government.
I have NO doubt if you asked your son he will tell you that IF a person wanted an illegal gun they would have NO PROBLEM obtaining one. All the gun control has not keep arms out of the hands of the IRA.
Your military has, and is still, being used as "law enforcement", like in Northern Ireland. The very idea of that SHOULD be appalling to a free people.
I have NO problem understanding the polls that state that law abiding citizens don't want to be armed, I did live there you know. LOL!!
No one said ANYTHING about "sport". I said that countries without a hunting tradition have little interest in conservation of wildlife habitat and therefor have very little wildlife left. That is just a fact. That includes MOST of Europe and the British Isles. I would be willing to bet that JUST the State of Michigan has MORE preserved, or in the process of preserving, wildlife habitat than the entire land mass of the British Isles, including Ireland. There is just no interest there.
I've never seen one of the British polls. Do those polls run 100% do not want to be armed and 0% want to be armed? If they do then I guess that's a quite unusual result and great then. If they do not, and I can't believe they do not, then why aren't the aforementioned Law Abiding Citizens allowed to exercise their personal choice and be armed? They are law abiding right? Obviously criminals shouldn't be armed but what is the problem with law abiding citizens being armed?
EnglishLady
Veteran Expediter
Armed is armed. Just because it is not the entire force changes nothing. There should be NO armed police or military operating in the UK. That insures total power of the government.
Says who!
When you say "your police are armed" it infers the whole Police force.
Our police are NOT armed. There is a tactical unit and that is all ..... just like you have a SWAT unit.
"There should be NO armed police or military operating in the. That insures total power of the government."
Hmmm all of your police are armed
I have NO doubt if you asked your son he will tell you that IF a person wanted an illegal gun they would have NO PROBLEM obtaining one. All the gun control has not keep arms out of the hands of the IRA.
I wonder who their biggest supporter was that enabled them to get the guns
Your military has, and is still, being used as "law enforcement", like in Northern Ireland. The very idea of that SHOULD be appalling to a free people.
Good gracious Joe ..... where do you come up with all this nonsense
I have NO problem understanding the polls that state that law abiding citizens don't want to be armed, I did live there you know. LOL!!
And like I have lived here for a few years now, I understand NOTHING about what makes an American tick on these important issues.
You have to have lived in a Country for a lot more than a few years to understand the history, the culture, the beliefs and not taint them with your own.
No one said ANYTHING about "sport". I said that countries without a hunting tradition have little interest in conservation of wildlife habitat and therefor have very little wildlife left. That is just a fact. That includes MOST of Europe and the British Isles. I would be willing to bet that JUST the State of Michigan has MORE preserved, or in the process of preserving, wildlife habitat than the entire land mass of the British Isles, including Ireland. There is just no interest there.
England is not America ..... England is not America ...... England is not America
(Repetition worked in school ROFL)
Try and explain as I might .... I am failing to make you understand that we do not want to be armed and we (the majority) do not consider this a lack of freedom. We are happy not to be armed. We are happy not to have our Police armed. We are happy we do not have the death penalty. USA and UK are VERY different on their outlooks and beliefs because we have very different histories.
I think you should continue questioning your Arms Rights here rather than trying to understand a Country that goes against the grain in US eyes.
Never the twain and all that
Try and explain as I might .... I am failing to make you understand that we do not want to be armed and we (the majority) do not consider this a lack of freedom. We are happy not to be armed. We are happy not to have our Police armed. We are happy we do not have the death penalty. USA and UK are VERY different on their outlooks and beliefs because we have very different histories.
I think you should continue questioning your Arms Rights here rather than trying to understand a Country that goes against the grain in US eyes.
Never the twain and all that
This leads back to my question. Is it the majority of law abiding citizens or is the entirety of law abiding citizens? If it is the absolute entirety of law abiding citizens then great and more power to them. I strongly suspect howerver that it is not the entirety by any means. In that case, why shouldn't those who desire to possess firearms be allowed?
To the other point, what exactly should I question about arms rights here? I have no questions, at least that I'm aware of, and I know of nothing that should be questioned. I look forward to enlightenment.
EnglishLady
Veteran Expediter
"England is not America ..... England is not America ...... England is not America
(Repetition worked in school ROFL)"
I TOTALLY understand it! I don't question it. Keep in mind the the United States is NOT England, nor the United Kingdom. We got rid of the king, queen and almighty government crap when we threw the English, I mean "Crown", OUT! LOL!!
That does NOT change the fact that the United States does more for wildlife and habitat conservation than just about ANY country on the face of the earth. I would be willing to be we do more that ALL of the European countries COMBINED, excluding MAYBE Russia, who is actually starting to follow the example that the United States has set.
There is also NO need to question our FREEDOM. ONLY a need to determine why we allow criminals to walk the streets, and EXCUSE their crimes. Then, for some reason we are SHOCKED when they get worse.
It is also interesting that as the percentage of American's that LEGALLY own guns continues to decline the amount of gun crimes continue to rise. I am not sure why that is, but it is true.
Also, keep in mind, that as the government continues to restrict our rights the amount of money that is available for conservation efforts will decline, drastically. You can also bet your boots that the "City Slickers", non-hunters, anti-hunters and animal rights duds, will do NOTHING to pick up the slack. After all they, for the most part, do NOTHING NOW!
(Repetition worked in school ROFL)"
I TOTALLY understand it! I don't question it. Keep in mind the the United States is NOT England, nor the United Kingdom. We got rid of the king, queen and almighty government crap when we threw the English, I mean "Crown", OUT! LOL!!
That does NOT change the fact that the United States does more for wildlife and habitat conservation than just about ANY country on the face of the earth. I would be willing to be we do more that ALL of the European countries COMBINED, excluding MAYBE Russia, who is actually starting to follow the example that the United States has set.
There is also NO need to question our FREEDOM. ONLY a need to determine why we allow criminals to walk the streets, and EXCUSE their crimes. Then, for some reason we are SHOCKED when they get worse.
It is also interesting that as the percentage of American's that LEGALLY own guns continues to decline the amount of gun crimes continue to rise. I am not sure why that is, but it is true.
Also, keep in mind, that as the government continues to restrict our rights the amount of money that is available for conservation efforts will decline, drastically. You can also bet your boots that the "City Slickers", non-hunters, anti-hunters and animal rights duds, will do NOTHING to pick up the slack. After all they, for the most part, do NOTHING NOW!
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It appears that they think differently in Merry Old England about a lot of things, not just police being armed. Or law abiding citizens being able to have guns. If the report in the link below is any indication, they put up with stuff there that would cause rioting if you tried it here. Imagine the police coming into your house to check that your refrigerator is efficient or that you're properly caring for your houseplants. Let the police try that once here and watch what happens next.
I read this and commented on it elsewhere several days ago, and still can't imagine any free people anywhere tolerating this. I could believe the story is a put-up job, it wouldn't surprise me. If they actually live like that in the UK, I have a question: Why???
Refrigerator snooping law
People who would tolerate this for even a second astound me.
I read this and commented on it elsewhere several days ago, and still can't imagine any free people anywhere tolerating this. I could believe the story is a put-up job, it wouldn't surprise me. If they actually live like that in the UK, I have a question: Why???
Refrigerator snooping law
People who would tolerate this for even a second astound me.
EnglishLady
Veteran Expediter
LOL
I have never heard this one before ..... but hey! it wasn't that long ago they repealed the law stating Hackney Cabs (Black London taxi's) no longer had to carry a bail of hay in the boot (trunk).
Hackney Cabs were originally horse drawn carriage LOL.
Virtually all of what is mentioned would come under the province of the local council not the Police .... though if that potted plant turns out to be Marijuana ....
EnglishLady
Veteran Expediter
I just remembered something that happened here ......
Last year we had a new A/C unit put in and, not sure if its just where we live or all over the US, but a guy turned up from the local Association (no notice given) and wanted to check it out and ticked all the little boxes.
I checked his ID first LOL
Last year we had a new A/C unit put in and, not sure if its just where we live or all over the US, but a guy turned up from the local Association (no notice given) and wanted to check it out and ticked all the little boxes.
I checked his ID first LOL
Around here, it's real simple. The authorities can enter my home only if (a) I invite them or if (b) they have a warrant that specifies who or what, exactly, they're looking for that requires entry. Otherwise, ain't happening. That is what is so astounding about that article in the link. It appears that authorities in the UK can enter pretty much at will for any number of what, here, would be chimerical causes.
I just remembered something that happened here ......
Last year we had a new A/C unit put in and, not sure if its just where we live or all over the US, but a guy turned up from the local Association (no notice given) and wanted to check it out and ticked all the little boxes.
I checked his ID first LOL
LOL! That is 100% YOUR fault for living in a place with an "Association"!! YOU ASKED FOR IT! You agreed to all their rules, regs and stupidity when you signed on the dotted line!
We don't have THAT problem, many others to be sure, but not THAT one! Bet he did not try to enter your house though.The "Home Owners Association", or what ever they call it where you live, is NOT the government nor is it connected to it in any way. It is a voluntary organization. If one does not live in a community that has one, they are not bound by it, it's "dues", rules or regs.
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EnglishLady
Veteran Expediter
Believe me, it doesn't happen the way that article reads, and like USA, Police cannot enter without a warrant or anyone without being invited in.
Trust me .... I'm English
My previous post about the "official" checking on the A/C unit though ...... smacks of what you were talking about in the news article.
I wonder what would have happened if I told him no ..... police breaking down my door to check my A/C unit? ..... I don't think so LOL
EnglishLady
Veteran Expediter
LOL! That is 100% YOUR fault for living in a place with an "Association"!! YOU ASKED FOR IT! You agreed to all their rules, regs and stupidity when you signed on the dotted line!
The "Home Owners Association", or what ever they call it where you live, is NOT the government nor is it connected to it in any way. It is a voluntary organization. If one does not live in a community that has one, they are not bound by it, it's "dues", rules or regs.
LOL
Exactly my point though .... it is a local issue nothing to do with the police or government whatever
I just remembered something that happened here ......
Last year we had a new A/C unit put in and, not sure if its just where we live or all over the US, but a guy turned up from the local Association (no notice given) and wanted to check it out and ticked all the little boxes.
I checked his ID first LOL
HOAs are a special breed of pest. How on Earth we allowed these monstrosities is beyond my comprehension, and I personally will NEVER buy a house that is encumbered by an HOA. Too many of these things are run by wannabe Napoleons. First order of business: Introduce the Napoleon to the Constitution and any other laws that pull his fangs. He may have jurisdiction over common areas of the community, but as far as I'm concerned his right to push me around stops at my property line.
"I wonder what would have happened if I told him no ....."
You CAN'T tell him no, you already agreed to it when you joined the association. That is just ONE of the reasons that we go out of our way NEVER to buy a house where there is an "association".
You CAN'T tell him no, you already agreed to it when you joined the association. That is just ONE of the reasons that we go out of our way NEVER to buy a house where there is an "association".