Eleven Million $

moose · Dec 19, 2012

Lets say that the secretary of transportation will tell you that a new mandate of one electronic safety device to be installed on all cars starting at year model 2014 will cost X$ and will save Y lives on the road. and when you divide X by Y you get 11 million $ per life saved ?
would you say it is a good mandate ?
well you won't believe what they came up with now !

Rearview camera requirement could boost vehicle costs by $200 | The Detroit News | detroitnews.com

Turtle · Dec 19, 2012

As was noted in the article, nearly 70 percent of all vehicles have backup cameras offered already. Historically, safety legislation and regulations have followed the automaker's leads in their implementation. Everything from windshield wipers to seat belts were ubiquitous long before they became mandated and regulated. Backup cameras are no different.

blackpup · Dec 19, 2012

Moose, you need to remember it's all about security, job security for bureaucrats that is !!.

jimmy

OntarioVanMan · Dec 19, 2012

I dunno.....How much is your granddaughter or grandson life worth to you?......if you save just one life...what is that value to you?....

Tennesseahawk · Dec 19, 2012

OntarioVanMan said:
I dunno.....How much is your granddaughter or grandson life worth to you?......if you save just one life...what is that value to you?....

That depends on how much I can get from the guy who hits my grandkids.

Sorry... a strawman scenario deserves a sarcastically retarded response.

OntarioVanMan · Dec 19, 2012

So windshield wipers and seat belts would have been a straw man argument back then?

P.S. I don't think your response was sarcastic

mjmsprt40 · Dec 19, 2012

Having had the advantage of seeing a backup camera in action on a friend's car, I think a good argument can be made for the general usefulness of the device. Not only might it save a life, but for those of us in vans it can make parallel parking a bit easier, not to mention giving you a "heads up" if any debris is behind you when you start backing. It might be worth a couple hundred to retro-fit my van with one of these things. I'll have to think about that.

moose · Dec 24, 2012

OntarioVanMan said:
I dunno.....How much is your granddaughter or grandson life worth to you?......if you save just one life...what is that value to you?....

To answer your question :
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layoutshooter · Dec 24, 2012

It is impossible to stop all accidents. It can be too expensive to try. It is what it is. As long as there are people who do things there will be accidents and a certain percentage of those will be fatal. Nothing can change that fact.

Reasonable steps can be taken, but there does come a time when there is no cost benefit to a given solution.

skyraider · Dec 24, 2012

mjmsprt40 said:
Having had the advantage of seeing a backup camera in action on a friend's car, I think a good argument can be made for the general usefulness of the device. Not only might it save a life, but for those of us in vans it can make parallel parking a bit easier, not to mention giving you a "heads up" if any debris is behind you when you start backing. It might be worth a couple hundred to retro-fit my van with one of these things. I'll have to think about that.

when you back over a neighbors kid or ur kid because u did not look......u decide about that camera

layoutshooter · Dec 24, 2012

I have rented cars that had them. At least in those it made little difference to backing up and were even a bit distracting. They are a GOOD OPTION for those who need, or want them. Mandates are getting old.

zorry · Dec 24, 2012

The guy that backed over John Gotti's kid wished he'd had one.

OntarioVanMan · Dec 24, 2012

I think the camera would take away complete attention from the task of backing up....what about the side action like approaching people or traffic, one could get too focused on watching that darned TV screen....for a small vehicle like a car IMO it is a waste....there is such a SMALL blind zone....AND it helps make people lazy..forgoing the need to check the back of car before reversing...

OntarioVanMan · Dec 24, 2012

layoutshooter said:
I have rented cars that had them. At least in those it made little difference to backing up and were even a bit distracting. They are a GOOD OPTION for those who need, or want them. Mandates are getting old.

that is my point....distracting...

xiggi · Dec 24, 2012

I like my backup camera. Nothing fancy bought it at meijers. Would like a little bigger monitor but for 69 bucks I'm not complaing.

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Tennesseahawk · Dec 24, 2012

OntarioVanMan said:
So windshield wipers and seat belts would have been a straw man argument back then?

P.S. I don't think your response was sarcastic

No... the straw man is all da widdo chirlins who dis will save. It's simple. If you care enough about your grand children, YOU will make sure you have backing cameras... not that it gets legislated FOR you.

It was sarcastic for me. I don't think that way; tho a bunch of others are sure to.

Tennesseahawk · Dec 24, 2012

skyraider said:
when you back over a neighbors kid or ur kid because u did not look......u decide about that camera

But do you think about the cameras, wishing YOU had gotten one? Or because you wish government had MADE you get one?

skyraider · Dec 24, 2012

xiggi said:
I like my backup camera. Nothing fancy bought it at meijers. Would like a little bigger monitor but for 69 bucks I'm not complaing.

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Hey ,,,now there u all go, looks like its a good thing. Thanks, Xiggi

layoutshooter · Dec 24, 2012

Tennesseahawk said:
No... the straw man is all da widdo chirlins who dis will save. It's simple. If you care enough about your grand children, YOU will make sure you have backing cameras... not that it gets legislated FOR you.

It was sarcastic for me. I don't think that way; tho a bunch of others are sure to.

I have been driving for more than 45 years. I have not backed over a kid yet. Looking first seems to work. IF I find that I am having a problem backing up, I will then CHOOSE to get one. Mandates are getting old.