Done Deal

paullud

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And various Republicans - ever bent on proving they deserve to be referred to as The Party of Stupid - denounce the deal ... before it's even announced or any details are released:

Republicans Attack Iran Deal Before It's Announced

There wasn't anything really denouncing the deal before it was announced other than what Ari said. He sent that message out less than an hour before the deal was public, maybe he knew details before it was announced publicly. He could also just be going based off of the history of this administration which it turned out Ari was right if worrying about Iran getting a nuke is your concern.

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RLENT

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There wasn't anything really denouncing the deal before it was announced other than what Ari said.
Go spend some time in the Twitter universe ... and have a look at what was being said ... and note: I said Republicans ... not Republican politicians ...

BTW: You don't consider Graham or Cornyn comments denouncements ?

He sent that message out less than an hour before the deal was public, maybe he knew details before it was announced publicly.
Click on the Ari's Twitter images in the Buzzfeed article and get on the page showing his Twitter feed ... locate the Tweet and expand it and tell me what the time stamp says ...

Same deal on Graham and Cornyn ...

While you're there click on some of the stuff from other people you see there and have a look ...

He could also just be going based off of the history of this administration which it turned out Ari was right if worrying about Iran getting a nuke is your concern.
Did you read the WH Fact Sheet in the first post ?

BTW - Ari is full of it ... he was the shill mouthpiece that helped sell fake WMD's in Iraq ...
 
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RLENT

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Here's another thing - and one should remember this single fact very well and never, ever forget it:

In 8 years, George W. Bush got absolutely nothing from Iran on the nuclear program ... other than allowing a vast increase in Iran's nuclear capability.

He wasn't even talking to them ...

#failure
 

davekc

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Well that is the whole thing. A year ago you had nothing and now you MAYBE have something.
The agreement is only six months so I would say, see what happens over the next six months.
It could turn in to something worthwhile or a total bust which is nowhere worse than we were a month ago.
 

KickStarter6

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I have a 17 yr old nephew that has the worse luck of anyone I've ever met so I just want the world to live in peace for his sake. Also since I'm only 24 my behind isn't out of the wood shed by any means lol
 

LDB

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Something worked up by the worst president in the history of the nation. Yeah, this has to be truly great and in our best interests. What could possibly go wrong.
 

davekc

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Well like all things Obama, he likely is clueless as to what is going on. Seems to have a history of that if something goes south on it. Most of this seems to be more of a Kerry deal. But like I said, they started with nothing and possibly may have something. Since it is such a short deal time wise, it won't take long to see if it has any value.
 

paullud

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Go spend some time in the Twitter universe ... and have a look at what was being said ...

People don't trust this liar anymore.

BTW: You don't consider Graham or Cornyn comments denouncements ?

They absolutely weren't denouncing the plan. Graham was just stating his opinion that IF the plan doesn't stop the enrichment then it was not a win. Cornyn simply said Obama has been a complete failure at running programs here so how can he run programs in another country, more of an Obama sucks comment.

Click on the Ari's Twitter images in the Buzzfeed article and get on the page showing his Twitter feed ... locate the Tweet and expand it and tell me what the time stamp says ...

Same deal on Graham and Cornyn ...

While you're there click on some of the stuff from other people you see there and have a look ...

None of that matters, people wouldn't trust this failure to run a McDonald's but some were before 10 some after.

Did you read the WH Fact Sheet in the first post ?

A Whitehouse fact sheet? Oh, you mean propaganda page.

BTW - Ari is full of it ... he was the shill mouthpiece that helped sell fake WMD's in Iraq ...

That's your opinion and it is easily debatable.

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paullud

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Here's another thing - and one should remember this single fact very well and never, ever forget it:

In 8 years, George W. Bush got absolutely nothing from Iran on the nuclear program ... other than allowing a vast increase in Iran's nuclear capability.

He wasn't even talking to them ...

#failure

What an odd and incorrect statement. Bush took a strong position on Iran not being able to get a nuclear weapon and brought a lot of attention to it. The really odd part of the statement is that Bush is to blame for the economy and everything bad several years later but yet gets no credit for everything he did to stop Iran. Obama has nothing, zip, zilch, zero other than the word of a country that has lied numerous times before about their nuclear program that they will just slow down, not stop. Then of course you have the statements from Iran that said the deal means that everyone now recognizes the right of Iran to enrich uranium.

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Ragman

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Obama: Nuclear deal blocks Iran's path to bomb...

Obama: The private sector is doing fine.

Obama: If you like your insurance you can keep your insurance...doctor you can keep your doctor...

Obama: There's no video that justifies an attack on an embassy.

Obama: I did not set a red line on Syria.

Anyone notice a pattern here?
 

skyraider

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US Navy
I hope there is some good to come of the Done Deal, but here is another of history's done deals:


The following is the wording of the statement that Neville Chamberlain waved when he stepped off the plane after the conference in Berlin had ended on 30 September, 1938.

"We, the German Führer and Chancellor, and the British Prime Minister, have had a further meeting today and are agreed in recognizing that the question of Anglo-German relations is of the first importance for two countries and for Europe.

"We regard the agreement signed last night and the Anglo-German Naval Agreement as symbolic of the desire of our two peoples never to go to war with one another again.

"We are resolved that the method of consultation shall be the method adopted to deal with any other questions that may concern our two countries, and we are determined to continue our efforts to remove possible sources of difference, and thus to contribute to assure the peace of Europe."
Chamberlain read this statement to a cheering crowd in front of 10 Downing St. and said;

"My good friends this is the second time in our history that there has come back from Germany to Downing Street peace with honor. I believe it is peace in our time."


So Paul Harvey fans, the rest of the story: Germany attacks Poland, then marches to the middle of France and to that railroad car ,,read it.

Also,,Pearl Harbor: the Japanese were at the White House doing a peace treaty dance , while the American Navy was being blown to bits... beware of those that hate us,,it may not fly long.....before it was over, only 55 million dead , from WW2,, low estimate most likely.
 

RLENT

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Well that is the whole thing. A year ago you had nothing and now you MAYBE have something.
No maybe - there is a multi-lateral interim agreement ...

Whether Iran will comply with it, of course, remains to be seen ... ;)

The agreement is only six months so I would say, see what happens over the next six months.
Absolutely ...

It could turn in to something worthwhile or a total bust which is nowhere worse than we were a month ago.
True ... but I would say, in this case, that some thing is better than no thing ...

And any improvement - however small - is better than no improvement
 

RLENT

Veteran Expediter
Something worked up by the worst president in the history of the nation. Yeah, this has to be truly great and in our best interests.
Even an incompetent fool can do something right by accident on occassion ...

What could possibly go wrong.
Plenty could go wrong ... but for your kids sakes hope that it doesn't ...
 

RLENT

Veteran Expediter
Well like all things Obama, he likely is clueless as to what is going on. Seems to have a history of that if something goes south on it. Most of this seems to be more of a Kerry deal.
LOL ... could be ... although the Big O made the initial effort to reach out early in his first term ...

But like I said, they started with nothing and possibly may have something. Since it is such a short deal time wise, it won't take long to see if it has any value.
Yup ... it will be interesting to see what, if anything, further negotiations deliver ...

It would be nice to know what the endgame specifics are that the P5+1 is seeking ...
 

WanderngFool

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What can go wrong? Plenty, but what other sensible options are there? When a country is determined to get nucs they seem to find a way. For instance didn't we work out a deal with North Korea in 2004 or 2005 that ended their pursuit of the bomb? In 2006 they exploded a nuclear warhead. I suppose we could blame W but wouldn't that be a little unfair? We can't monitor every nook and cranny in a foreign country.
 

RLENT

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People don't trust this liar anymore.
While that may well be true (depending on what people you are talking about specifically) it's really irrelevant to whether or not Republicans were denouncing the plan before it was announced and before it was know what was in it.

It is however a decent deflection off the issue of whether they were denouncing it or not ...

They absolutely weren't denouncing the plan. Graham was just stating his opinion that IF the plan doesn't stop the enrichment then it was not a win.
Which is essentially a denouncement of the plan - because anyone that is halfway paying attention knew that was never going to be a possibility in the first round ... if ever in any round ...

The Iranians will not give their right to enrich - nor should they IMO.

Cornyn simply said Obama has been a complete failure at running programs here so how can he run programs in another country, more of an Obama sucks comment.
No - what he said (through implication) was that the President had simply engaged in a cynical exercise to deflect criticism and divert attention (from whatever political difficulties he was in) ... which is belied by the fact that these efforts had been ongoing for some time.

It's Cornyn that owns the cynicism.

None of that matters, people wouldn't trust this failure to run a McDonald's but some were before 10 some after.
Of course it matters - it goes precise to the validity of my assertion (and Buzzfeed's) that you're trying to dispute.

A Whitehouse fact sheet? Oh, you mean propaganda page.
Is it propaganda page if it actually reflects what was obtained in the agreement ?

That's your opinion and it is easily debatable.
Indeed it is ... and I suspect that I am not alone in my opinion.

However the facts are the facts ...
 
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