Dispatcher Ride-alongs

terryandrene

Veteran Expediter
Safety & Compliance
US Coast Guard
Many previous threads have included comments regarding a desire that non-CDL qualified dispatchers and other company personnel accompany a driver on the road for a while so they can appreciate the pro and con of our day-to-day routine and decision making processes. I know I'm in the minority with my position, but I think a drive-along by a dispatcher is not a good idea.

When a team or solo leaves an empty home to go on the road for two or more weeks they have to make advance preparations to become expediters as well as care for that which they leave behind. These are some of the things we've felt necessary:

Install intrusion alarms; $250 + annual monitoring fee of $276,
Install irrigation system to maintain lawn and shrubs; $2800,
Lawn mowing service; $1200 annual,
Obtain PO Drawer for mail security; $120 annual,
Buy a truck, equipment and make it ready for expediting $30,000 - $100,000 minimum.
Obtain CDL with hazmat endorsements; $120 plus any training necessary.
Obtain DOT medical card; $75

Other O/O's may also have had to do some or all of the following:

Attend basic orientation; xxx miles deadhead, 2-3 days hotel bill, more deadhead,
Attend Nuclear, A&E, Hazmat training; more deadhead and hotel bills,
Reefer truck temperature validation; more dead head and layover expense.

When the phone rings with an acceptable run offer we have to do the following:

Discard all perishable fruits, vegetables, and items that will expire prior to our anticipated return,
Load van with all bills that will come due while we're gone,
Soak all indoor plants and hope they don't die,
Load van with enough clothes for warm or cold weather.

What does a dispatcher have to do before going on a ride-along? Pack a bag with 5 days clothing.
They don't have to worry about getting a run offer that will cover their weekly expense because they are still on the company payroll and are probably getting a per diem rate to cover hotels and food. Most likely they would have someone back at their residence to take care of things that we worry about. The dispatcher will have had a nice 5 day respite from the office grind and when they get back to work will likely spend a fair amount of time at the proverbial water cooler telling colleagues about all that was seen on the weeklong adventure.

We can explain our thought process for load selection to the ride-along, but until they would have to experience the long term effect of our idle days and repeated discounted loads on their own pocketbook, they can never fully understand what it is we do and how or why we do it. Heck, after all these 17 years, I'm no longer sure why or how we do it.

In fairness to the dispatchers and other office staff, we don't fully understand their role in the scheme of things. Rene' and I have sat, with headphones on, with customer service agents and dispatchers for, cumulatively, several hours. We watched their computer screens flash from page to page as they dealt with easy and difficult customers and pleasant and ornery drivers as they handled easy and complex loads. It takes each of them several months of training and hands-on experience to become proficient at their jobs.

We can never understand the complexity of our dispatchers' jobs, nor the roles their management play in operating a large motor carrier by watching them at work for a few hours. Alternately, they can never truly understand the day-to-day dilemmas we face by setting in the passenger seat for a few day trips.

A more important program, I believe, is the Contractor Relations program that FedEx Custom Critical has had for several years, the pending Panther inaugural Contractor Relations meeting, and perhaps similar gatherings by other carriers. Management and Owner/Operators each have the opportunity to exchange comments, ideas and displeasures around the big table. The impact on company and driver and the pros and cons of any government regulations, company policies or Owner/Operator recommendations are often reviewed or resolved before any operational changes are implemented.
 

marvinkwagner

Not a Member
Well Your right about the money, the 5 day bag thing.

What the dispatcher need to understand is

1. Money = Teams for Team runs singles for single runs.

2. hours of service 11hours to drive total 14 to work .
and the mando min 10 to reset. Then the 34hour restart.

3. The max weight ratio for a Tractor trailer. and the term Bridge Laws. for a tractor triler.

Yupper I agree. But it won't happen.

OH ya and New York and Brooklyn with a 53ft tractor trailer.
certain areas yes Madison SQ Garden. JFK (Jamica NY) Ok to name a few.

If I think I can and Im single I will give it a shot.
CO Drivers tend to run there mouths. (past exp)

I do a lot of favors once, but if bitten or warned not twice.

When I do a favor, I expect for it to be remembered. (Hint)

Too much ya say, Na not realy.

I do my job they do theirs some where we meet in the middle so to speak.

I could say more but why!!!

They have one job to sell the freight to us.

We got ours Pick and Choose and Deliver with a Smile.

HG LOL

Kevin
 

ATeam

Senior Member
Retired Expediter
Regarding the value of a dispatcher/staff ride-along program, a question to ask some of the dispatchers who have ridden along is, "Did the ride-along help you be a better dispatcher? If so, in what way?"
 

bernieh48

Veteran Expediter
Well when we were with FedEx about 3 years ago we had a dispatcher ride with us for a week. And on some of your points your right. They cannot fully understand in a week what we go through all year long, but it does help them gain an insight into what goes on. We actually got a load that delivered into NYC and the dispatcher got to see what the traffic and roads were like. He also got to see what it was like to keep getting running late messages when you can't help the traffic and you had already told tem traffic was bad. It does help. It won't change everything, but it does help.
 

davekc

Senior Moderator
Staff member
Fleet Owner
Maybe not for every dispatch position, but I think it should be a requirement that a dispatch supervisor should be a former driver and owner operator. Especially when a problem arises.
Just my personal opinion. If one hasn't done the job, it puts one at a distinct disadvantage to advise others.









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highway star

Veteran Expediter
Owner/Operator
The best dispatch office I've worked with so far had a very significant number of former drivers. It really does make a difference.
 

Coco

Seasoned Expediter
I agree that a dispatcher ride along can be a good thing. But, I would never want a dispatcher riding with me. Our truck is our home. It's where you can pick your nose and scratch your butt when and where you want.

On the other hand, as far as the dispatchers' job, I know I couldn't and wouldn't want it. Before driving I had a job like that. A phone on my desk with 10 lines and four calls on hold while inputting info on a computer, waiting for a fax to arrive or waiting for a return phone call before I could finish my work. In addition I always had to wait for UPS to arrive with my overnight docs, if they were late my whole day was shot. Never would I trade driving for a job like that.

All of us should give the other the benefit of doubt and try to work together. We all have pressure just in different forms.

We all also have the opportunity to change jobs if we choose. I'll keep mine thank you.
 

Vinnie T

Seasoned Expediter
A dispatcher may never fully understand the mathmatics of being a O/O, a ride along can only help them understand what a O/O goes through and the rigors and challenges of the job. If not anything it may give the dispatcher some understanding and repect for the job a driver does on a daily basis. Maybe he/she will have an undertanding of how not to run a driver when he/she is tired. And most importantly what snafus O/O deal with when a problem arises with a dock workers, delays, paperwork errors, border delays etc,.that most dispatchers seem to have no sympathy for. ESPECIALLY if the dispatcher has to sit a few days with the O/O in a slow area would this program be most bennifical. Otherwise a dispatcher has NO IDEA what O/O's go through at all.
 

TJ959

Veteran Expediter
I worked for a truck brokerage as a dispatcher and I believe my experience as a driver made me a better dispatcher. "BUT". The manager of our office was a long time driver who drove befor logging was required and for several years after logging was required. He would talk about how hard it was when he was a driver owner operator but he had little respect or sympathy for the drivers that worked with us. Telling him you were out of hours would just make him mad. When he was a driver he would get pilled up and drive as long as he could and cheat his logs. He ruined his health but he couldn't understand why anyone wanted to run legal. So I guess my point is, if you're a jerk before you ride along you'll be a jerk after you ride along. You'll just feel you know more about it and have even stronger opinions. I think ride alongs may prove to be beneficial but only if the dispatcher is gifted with common sense in the first place.
 

greg334

Veteran Expediter
I firmly believe that any and all dispatchers should come with driving experience, no exceptions.

When I was a manager of a transportation department, ALL dispatchers were brought up through the driver pool to ensure that we can give the customer (medical patients) the best possible service and this is no different.

But if the companies want to hire people off the streets, than a month should be the length of the learning curve, not a week – which is a joke. A week you can only get used to the paper work and riding around in a ‘big bad truck’ but can’t grasp the issues that we face as drivers/owners – with maybe 5 runs at the most you are going to learn?

Like my experience yesterday, there was confusion of what I had to deal with at a mall during the mess of the shopping frenzy we call after thanksgiving Friday. I honestly believe that the people involved could not understand the problem by the multiple descriptions. The dispatcher and facilitator (what ever that is) called several times to get a picture of what the problem we had and the contact person was getting very annoyed to repeat what I just told the dispatcher and facilitator 5 minutes before.

I would like to see more of use of a telecommuting situation with former drivers who have the knowledge and can’t or no longer want to drive but lack the ability to go on site for the company to work. I think leveraging technology to dispatch from home is a no brainer and could solve a lot of problems.
 

bigjoep89

Expert Expediter
Concrete truck driver 15 years
Concrete sales mgr, 13 years.
Expediter 1.5 years.

I have to agree with Terry. I would like to add this.
If you want the dispatcher to have a week paid vacation gaining very limited knowledge of our life on the road as a business owner send them on.
I have been doing this almost two years now and every time I think I have this business figured out something comes up and makes me realize I still have a lot to learn.

God bless our military and vets.
 

x06col

Veteran Expediter
Charter Member
Retired Expediter
US Army
We don't do dispatcher ride alongs because our dispatchers have many, many windshield miles under their belt. However, we have tried the reverse and attempted O/O or, driver dispatch to enable them to get a fix on the big picture. Unfortunately, this don't work either. I believe it's called lack of interest in their career. Or, inability to be part of a team. You know, that cooperate and graduate concept just don't exist much. Just show me the money.
 

layoutshooter

Veteran Expediter
Retired Expediter
Ride alongs may or may not work, hard to say. What would work is proper training. A dispatcher should know if a truck can get into the delivery/pickup site be for they dispatch them. THEY SHOULD ASK!!I know they might always be given the right info but training in how to prompt a customer to get the right answers should be mandatory. They should know what kind of loads can go on a reefer truck and what kind can't. ASK, PROMPT!!! TRAINING! TRAINING! TRAINING!! When I used to have a real job I had to prepare people to work at an overseas site. I had them work at the US site for 4 months before they were allowed to go overseas. WE TRAINED THEM!!! Get the hint?? I doubt it. Layoutshooter
 

Rollo

Seasoned Expediter
DISPATCHER NEEDS BETTER TRAINING:

I find myself agreeing with most of the comments here. However, I have one "beef" to pick with most of the dispatchers that I have known with all three company's that I have driven for. I live in Chicago burbs and am usually 20-80 miles from the common pick-ups. Does anyone understand how much time it takes to get around Chicago at almost anytime of day?
Typically, it takes from 1 hour to at least 1-1/2 hours to get to the pick-up point. Standard procedure is to receive the message (call) from dispatch.........."you are showing up to be 1-1/2 hours behind schedule" before I get out of the city traffic and make my "run." Dispatcher's need to be trained to understand these situations before committing to the time frame of the delivery, especially with a less than 200 mile run, it becomes almost impossible to make up an hour lost in a three hour run.

Just my own "beef"....if more dispatchers would read these forums we might be better drivers and dispatchers. Keep the faith, brothers, we are all in this together!
 

fastman_1

Veteran Expediter
Owner/Operator
I don't like my Dispatchers enough to spend a Hour in the Van with them So I ain't gonna Spend a week with them...Somebody would be walking home by the end of the first run.







































Owner/Operator since 1979
Expediter since 1997
B Unit Semi Retired
Somedays are Diamonds and Somedays are Stones
Home is Wherever you Park.
The Price of Freedom is Written on the Wall.
 

grog111

Seasoned Expediter
I worked at a company for a while where the boss refused to hire ex drivers as dispatchers because he felt that it's not beneficial for dispatchers to sympathize with drivers. His take on it was that there will always be difficult loads and tough circumstances and if you can't be a task master you wont be effective in a supervisory type position. It sucked noodles, but i kinda understood where he was coming from.
 

jrcarroll

Expert Expediter
>A more important program, I believe, is the Contractor
>Relations program that FedEx Custom Critical has had for
>several years, the pending Panther inaugural Contractor
>Relations meeting, and perhaps similar gatherings by other
>carriers. Management and Owner/Operators each have the
>opportunity to exchange comments, ideas and displeasures
>around the big table. The impact on company and driver and
>the pros and cons of any government regulations, company
>policies or Owner/Operator recommendations are often
>reviewed or resolved before any operational changes are
>implemented.

Ok, so how often does the typical O/O or driver see the "big table" and be able to express concerns or comments??
 

ATeam

Senior Member
Retired Expediter
I am not offering the following in a disrespectful tone. It is more of a plea.

In over three years with FedEx Custom Critical I have heard precious little about the FedEx contractor relations program, at least the part about contractors meeting regularly with FedEx exeuctives. What I have heard is bits and pieces occasionally offered by council members but no detail beyond the fact that the program exists. If someone asked me what goes on at those meetings or what comes out of them, I would not be able to say.

Panther's contractor relations program is barely off the ground but already stands head and shoulders above FedEx's in terms of transparancy and information about how people get selected to serve on the council and what their role is.

I hope FedEx takes a communications cue from Panther's meritorious contractor relations initiatiave.
 
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