Defend your home, lose your gun

LDB

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What a way to treat a citizen and a veteran at that. And no, I'm not saying a veteran should be treated differently than any other citizen. I'm suggesting a veteran knows his weapon because although there are others like it that particular one is his. He also likely knows how to use it in a safer manner than many so there's little chance what he did was unsafe.

Military Vet Sited and AR-15 Confiscated! :: The Black Sphere
 

Humble2drive

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The AR is my choice for home defense as well. Repeat "Defense"!

We have a defensive plan in place which does not include a warning shot!
My rifle will not be fired until someone breaches the threshold and approaches my position after many verbal warnings. I will be positioned to fire with full knowledge of exactly where the bullet trajectory will carry it to a safe stop.
911 will be called ASAP, the plan is to defend until law enforcement arrives.
NO warning shots! No chasing! Don't take it outside! Simply stay in front of your loved ones and DEFEND.

I am military trained and "warning" shots were highly discouraged from a security standpoint due to the risk. This guy was irresponsible to fire his weapon at that point of the game. Especially in an apartment complex.

Btw - The shooter stated that due to his military experience, he went into "combat mode". Far different from defensive mode.
 

RLENT

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What a way to treat a citizen and a veteran at that. And no, I'm not saying a veteran should be treated differently than any other citizen. I'm suggesting a veteran knows his weapon because although there are others like it that particular one is his. He also likely knows how to use it in a safer manner than many so there's little chance what he did was unsafe.
Well yeah, sure ... as clearly illustrated by Staff Sgt. Bales recent decision to plead guilty to (mass) murder to - ahem - avoid the death penalty :rolleyes::

American soldier to plead guilty to Afghan massacre, sources tell AP | Fox News
 

layoutshooter

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Well yeah, sure ... as clearly illustrated by Staff Sgt. Bales recent decision to plead guilty to (mass) murder to - ahem - avoid the death penalty :rolleyes::

American soldier to plead guilty to Afghan massacre, sources tell AP | Fox News

Yeah, he is. I am surprised they even were considering the death penalty since he was not cleared to return to combat due to all the drugs they had him on. He was part of the mess that took place at Ft. Lewis. More than 56 were put back into combat units, when they should not have been, my son included. They were in the same unit.
 

xiggi

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Its clearly relevent because of the op's comments included before the originol link.

Sent from my Fisher Price ABC-123.
 

layoutshooter

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But in no way related that we know of. We don't know if this person was subjected to the drug cocktails that the one who lost it in Afghanistan was. Do we know what kind of unit he served with. Was he ever at Ft. Lewis? Was he one of the 56 from Lewis that were part of the cost cutting measures instituted at Ft. Lewis as directed by the administration? There may very well not be an apple to apple comparison here, there could be, but making it is just an assumption.
 

LDB

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Totally unrelated stories and incidents but apparently another win.
 

xiggi

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Your ignoring Leos comments which relates the posts. You can't choose what part of the op another post is pointed at. Leo uses the reasoning "because the person is a veteran" its as simple as that.

Sent from my Fisher Price ABC-123.
 

Turtle

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I'm still trying to figure out how Leo's comments relate to the story. This veteran may very well indeed know his weapon, yet he discharged his weapon stupidly, which flies in the face of the statement that, "he also likely knows how to use it in a safer manner than many so there's little chance what he did was unsafe. A warning shot is never save regardless of which direction it is fired. He was outside of the building looking at the guy attempting to break into his apartment and fired a warning shot into the ground, which could have ricocheted off a rock and killed someone while they were doing dishes or shattered a rock and one of the pieces could have put they eye of a child out. The guy started retreating as soon as he saw Thompson and the gun, so what was the warning shot's purpose?

"This is the end result. You break into someone’s house, there’s consequences," Thomson said.

The only problem is, his house wasn't broken into.

I'm not convinced of his combat battle credentials, either.

"When I’m dealt with a stressful situation, being a veteran from Iraq and the Afghanistan war, it’s natural. I just jump into combat mode. I told him, ‘I’m going to give you a warning shot’,” Thompson explained.

I had no idea that warning shots were part and parcel of military combat mode. <snort>

Plus, he's awfully fat for a combat veteran. Looks more like Larry the Cable Guy than a battle-hardened vet.
 

layoutshooter

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"Plus, he's awfully fat for a combat veteran. Looks more like Larry the Cable Guy than a battle-hardened vet."


My son, a combat vet, put on 35# in the first two months when they stuck him on that drug cocktail. He no longer looked like a combat vet either. He gained almost 60# before the doctors at Walter Reed took those soldiers from Ft. Lewis off of it. I don't recall if it was a 6 or 7 drug mix they were on.

As for the warning shot, I agree it was not smart, BUT, maybe he just did not WANT his place broken into and then have to shoot to kill. Maybe he is just tired of killing. It is not a given that he was out of control.
 

Turtle

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Nobody said he was out of control.... or on a drug cocktail. Based on his performance in the video interview, I'd guess neither one is the case.

Having said that, I think it would be really awesomely ginormously nifty if you could recognize humor when you see it.
 

Brisco

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Its clearly relevent because of the op's comments included before the originol link.

NO Relevance to the Original Story whatsoever............

Might be a Coincidence that BOTH are Iraq/Afghan war veterans........but to post a Link to an article that covers a Soldier that went on a Murderous Rampage and Compare it to a Veteran that was trying to defend his house is a Board / American Soldier Hating Troll trying to stir up Trouble.........

Flat Out............Plain and Simple...........
 

LDB

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Retired Expediter
The point is that many veterans and hunters could easily put a shot into the ground, in a completely safe manner, near enough an intruder to give them pause. Is that the wise thing to do? Possibly not. Does it make him guilty of anything other than protecting his home? No, not automatically.
 

cheri1122

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And this is relevant to the original story in such a matter that you can clearly explain as to why this link was posted..................Right???? :rolleyes:


Not sure whether the difficulty is with your visual acuity, or reading comprehension, but the relevant words were bolded: "so there's little chance what he did was unsafe".
Assuming that any one is automatically handling a weapon 'safely' because he/she is a veteran is dangerously misguided. As both the OP & the link prove.
FWIW, I think the OP deserves to lose his weapon - he was clearly not defending his home from someone who was walking away when the shot was fired.
 

RLENT

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NO Relevance to the Original Story whatsoever............
As xiggi (and cheri) pointed out, the relevance was to a (rather silly) comment made in the OP. And the extent of the silliness of the comment in the OP was even further illustrated by Turtle.

If you are still having a hard time wrapping your head around that just lemme know ... I suppose I could set aside a little time for some remedial ed-u-ma-ca-shun for ya if need be ...

Might be a Coincidence that BOTH are Iraq/Afghan war veterans........but to post a Link to an article that covers a Soldier that went on a Murderous Rampage and Compare it to a Veteran that was trying to defend his house ...
I didn't compare it to a Veteran that was trying to defend his house ... (it's you that's trying to do that ... ;))

I simply related it to a comment made in the OP which contained a particularly foolish - and potentially erroneous - conclusion ...

Since I highlighted that comment (the one that contained the foolish conclusion) in bold, this ought to be fairly obvious ... even to you ...

Lemme know if you still are NOT GETTING IT ... and I'll see if I can beat the point I was making to death enough to where even someone at the level of blithering idiot ought to be able to get it ...
 
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layoutshooter

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Nobody said he was out of control.... or on a drug cocktail. Based on his performance in the video interview, I'd guess neither one is the case.

Having said that, I think it would be really awesomely ginormously nifty if you could recognize humor when you see it.

I find it hard to find any humor when I see what is being done to our combat vets. With friends and family members involved, I find myself very protective of them. There is NOTHING funny to find.
 

Turtle

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That's because you have misplaced loyalties and no measurable sense of humor.
 

LDB

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Perhaps the many many veterans I'm acquainted with are an aberration but I can guarantee you they handle weapons safely, accurately and professionally.
 
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