Deep sea mining 'gold rush' moves closer

EnglishLady

Veteran Expediter
Uh Oh .... this can't be good :(

BBC News - Deep sea mining 'gold rush' moves closer

The prospect of a deep sea "gold rush" opening a controversial new frontier for mining on the ocean floor has moved a step closer. The United Nations has published its first plan for managing the extraction of so-called "nodules" - small mineral-rich rocks - from the seabed.

A technical study was carried out by the UN's International Seabed Authority - the body overseeing deep sea mining.
It says companies could apply for licences from as soon as 2016.


The idea of exploiting the gold, copper, manganese, cobalt and other metals of the ocean floor has been considered for decades but only recently became feasible with high commodity prices and new technology.
Conservation experts have long warned that mining the seabed will be highly destructive and could have disastrous long-term consequences for marine life.
The ISA study itself recognizes that mining will cause "inevitable environmental damage".
But the report comes amid what a spokesman describes as "an unprecedented surge" of interest from state-owned and private mining companies.
Sharing the proceeds The number of licences issued to prospect for minerals now stands at 17 with another seven due to be granted and more are likely to follow. They cover vast areas of the Pacific, Atlantic and Indian Oceans.
One of the most recent to be granted was to UK Seabed Resources, a subsidiary of the British arm of Lockheed Martin, the American defence giant.
Under the UN Convention on the Law of the Sea, the ISA was set up to encourage and manage seabed mining for the wider benefit of humanity - with a share of any profits going to developing countries.


Now the ISA is taking the significant step of moving from simply handling bids for mineral exploration to considering how to license the first real mining operations and how to share the proceeds.
The ISA's legal counsel, Michael Lodge, told the BBC: "We are at the threshold of a new era of deep seabed mining."
The lure is obvious. An assessment of the eastern Pacific - a five million sq km area known as the Clarion-Clipperton Zone - concluded that more than 27 billion tonnes of nodules could be lying on the sand.
Those rocks would contain a staggering seven billion tonnes of manganese, 340 million tonnes of nickel, 290 million tonnes of copper and 78 million tonnes of cobalt - although it's not known how much of this is accessible.
A map shows the spread of licensed areas across the zone.


According to the planning study, the ISA faces the challenge of trying to ensure that nodule mining's benefits will reach beyond the companies themselves while also fostering commercially viable operations.
The plan relies on providing operators with the right incentives to risk what would be expensive investments without losing the chance for developing countries to get a slice of the proceeds.
But the ISA identifies what it calls a "Catch-22" in this brand new industry as it tries to assess which companies are skilled enough to carry out the work.
"Competence cannot be gained," it says, "without actual mining at a commercial scale, but at the same time mining should not be allowed without prior demonstration of competence."

A key factor in the ISA's thinking is the need for environmental safeguards, so the document calls for monitoring of the seabed during any mining operation - though critics wonder if activity in the ocean depths can be policed.
The prospect of deep sea mining has already sparked a vigorous debate among marine scientists, as I found earlier this year on a visit to the British research ship, James Cook, exploring the hydrothermal vents of the Cayman Trough.

The expedition's chief scientist, Dr Jon Copley, a biologist from the University of Southampton, urged caution.
"I don't think we own the deep ocean in the sense that we can do what we like with it," he said. "Instead we share responsibility for its stewardship.
"We don't have a good track record of achieving balance anywhere else - think of the buffalo and the rainforest - so the question is, can we get it right?"
Extinction risk And Prof Paul Tyler, also a biologist, of the National Oceanography Centre, warned that unique species would be at risk.
"If you wipe out that area by mining, those animals have to do one of two things: they disperse and colonise another hydrothermal vent somewhere or they die.
"And what happens when they die is that the vent will become biologically extinct."

However, marine chemist Prof Rachel Mills, of the University of Southampton, called for a wider debate about mining generally on the grounds that we all use minerals and that mines on land are far larger than any would be on the seabed.
She has carried out research for Nautilus Minerals, a Canadian firm planning to mine hydrothermal vents off Papua New Guinea.
"Everything we are surrounded by, the way we live, relies on mineral resources and we don't often ask where they come from," she said.
"We need to ask whether there is sustainable mining on land and whether there is sustainable mining in the seas.
"I actually think it is the same moral questions we ask whether it's from the Andes or down in the Bismarck Sea."

This debate is set to intensify as the reality of the first mining operations comes closer.
 

layoutshooter

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Retired Expediter
I don't know if it is good, or bad.

I do KNOW one thing for sure. All of us, including the BBC and every so called conservationist wants, even demand, the "toys" that are made from the resources that they are talking about recovering from the sea floor.

There is ONLY one way to stop it, stop buying ANYTHING made from natural resources. Buy NOTHING made of iron, steel, plastic, copper etc etc etc. and the mining will stop.
 

Monty

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The United Nations has published its first plan for managing the extraction of so-called "nodules" - small mineral-rich rocks - from the seabed.

Nice .. the UN is now the authority?

A technical study was carried out by the UN's International Seabed Authority - the body overseeing deep sea mining.
It says companies could apply for licenses from as soon as 2016.

Oh yea, we signed on to that ...... nice to be controlled by a governing body that has no vested interest, except for the bribes.
 

layoutshooter

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Retired Expediter
Nice .. the UN is now the authority?



Oh yea, we signed on to that ...... nice to be controlled by a governing body that has no vested interest, except for the bribes.


It is very hard to believe that there is a slimier bunch than our government but the UN has achieved that lofty status. They cannot be trusted.
 

moose

Veteran Expediter
the future of precious metals is looking very good as it's in direct competition with FIAT currency's.
just look on what happened to silver a month ago {April 14} as gov. all around the world {again} freaked out of a major metal upping it's head.
no matter how much silver mining they can come up with, it will never meet demand.
the real price of a precious metal {& many other commodity's} is not measured by it's currency value, but by it's gold value. this is the # one security threat we have in western world, as the gold holding shifted to country's like China, Iran, India and Australia. the recent announcement by the UK PM to sell all of England's gold holding is an admit of financial failure.
some 2 weeks ago, Australia announced that they stop trading the US$, that's makes them the 7'th large country to do so.
the US Gov. lost control of it's currency, which was demonstrated 3 days ago as the feds {again} printed out a whopping 260 Billion$ to buy Gov. debt in order to avoid breaching the debt ceiling.
it was in the hands of congress to avoid reaching that ceiling, but guess what?,
no matter what steps our gov. take, our economy is beyond salvation.
this is why precious metals becomes so attractive to mining company's, not because of supply& demands, not because of market values, but because of it's future value, after the collapse, as the new FIAT currency will be valued compered to gold.
the current flooding of FIAT currency just makes it so more easy to accomplished.
are you protecting yourself?
or do you still have a $ base retirement account?
 

layoutshooter

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Retired Expediter
My retirement is based on boats, firearms and lead based cartridges. Add to take fishing tackle and all required clothing and a good tent, nothing else matters.
 

EnglishLady

Veteran Expediter
Moose, I can find nothing on ....

"the recent announcement by the UK PM to sell all of England's gold holding is an admit of financial failure"


In 1999 Gordon Brown sold off half of Britain's gold reserves .... Brown was, at that time, Chancellor for the Labour Party (Democrat) :mad:

Since then the gold reserves have been steadily building up again.

"George Osborne said that the Government had been rebuilding the country's reserves of the precious metal after former chancellor Brown sold them in 1999
 

moose

Veteran Expediter
i have {BAD} news for you:
The Central Banks? Gold: A Story of Silent Expropriation | Global Research

The Central Banks? Gold: A Story of Silent Expropriation | Global Research

this was sent to me in last few days. it's long but worth reading for everyone trying to understands global markets manipulations.
some few extracts:{or you can believe the PM that the golds in England's (&US) vaults actually belong to the gov.}
"the lion’s share of all foreign gold is accounted for by two countries – the USA and Great Britain"
In order to continue their game with gold, the monetary authorities of the «golden billion» countries needed to dive their hand not just into their own reserves of the precious metal, but also the gold reserves entrusted to them by other countries"
" It is remarkable that in Great Britain there is in excess of 16 times more foreign gold than own gold"
"The Central Bank of Mexico, for example, holds 95 percent of its gold reserves in the Bank of England"
"Part of the gold is held in deposit accounts, on which interest is charged."
"China’s demand for gold is growing rapidly"
" the sharp decrease in the supply of gold in the form of scrap metal....As a result, the average annual supply of gold has fallen to 850 tonnes"
"The campaign to get gold home could turn into a panic that will seize tens of countries "
AND, then there's the last paragraph!
...
read part one first, it's fascinating.
and scary, very scary @ the same time.
you won't find it on a quick Google search, nor on MSM.
the global financial end is soon to come, i will never try to pouch a date to it, but i will continue to advised others to be prepared.
most will not listen.
 

EnglishLady

Veteran Expediter
i have {BAD} news for you:
The Central Banks? Gold: A Story of Silent Expropriation | Global Research

The Central Banks? Gold: A Story of Silent Expropriation | Global Research

this was sent to me in last few days. it's long but worth reading for everyone trying to understands global markets manipulations.
some few extracts:{or you can believe the PM that the golds in England's (&US) vaults actually belong to the gov.}
"the lion’s share of all foreign gold is accounted for by two countries – the USA and Great Britain"
In order to continue their game with gold, the monetary authorities of the «golden billion» countries needed to dive their hand not just into their own reserves of the precious metal, but also the gold reserves entrusted to them by other countries"
" It is remarkable that in Great Britain there is in excess of 16 times more foreign gold than own gold"
"The Central Bank of Mexico, for example, holds 95 percent of its gold reserves in the Bank of England"
"Part of the gold is held in deposit accounts, on which interest is charged."
"China’s demand for gold is growing rapidly"
" the sharp decrease in the supply of gold in the form of scrap metal....As a result, the average annual supply of gold has fallen to 850 tonnes"
"The campaign to get gold home could turn into a panic that will seize tens of countries "
AND, then there's the last paragraph!
...
read part one first, it's fascinating.
and scary, very scary @ the same time.
you won't find it on a quick Google search, nor on MSM.
the global financial end is soon to come, i will never try to pouch a date to it, but i will continue to advised others to be prepared.
most will not listen.



Okey dokey then :rolleyes:

LOL
 

moose

Veteran Expediter
Moose, I can find nothing on ....
you are correct. i remember reading this deap inside an {none English,sorry} economist on-line mag. but to get to it i used a copy of {none English,sorry} wording from another site.
not keeping it in bookmark, i have no access to it now using my {English only,sorry} keyboard.
:rolleyes:
isn't it amassing how they hide truth from the public ?
considering this: {extract from link above}" In accordance with current reporting guidelines, therefore, central banks are permitted to continue carrying the entry of physical gold on their balance sheet even if they have swapped it or leased it out entirely"
so they tell us they have {X} gold in the vaults, but they don't tell us if they actually have ANY gold in the vaults.
is there any grater LIE been carried on by the central banks noways?
 

Turtle

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Here's an interesting take on some of this. It's a bit dated, 2003, but what's most interesting about it is that in the intervening years it has turned out to be spot-on.

But as far is whether your retirement is $ based, FIAT based, or physical gold based, it really won't matter much. It's a crapshoot regardless. People (some, many) think gold has some intrinsic value. But not merely intrinsic value, but some kind of special holy grail intrinsic value. It doesn't. The intrinsic value of something, even gold, is nothing more than what someone will give you in exchange for it.

The best intrinsic value of gold is if you own some of it and you can convince others to buy gold so that your gold will rise in value, and then you can trade it for something you want or need. The return from investing in gold, and thus its intrinsic value, is inherently conditional on what another investor paying a higher price for it than you did. Contrary to popular belief, gold (and silver) are much more valuable as a trading vehicle than that of long term store of value. Gold returns over the short term can be great, but long term compounding shows gold to be dismal.

Investors buy gold because they are afraid of the Fed’s monetary policy’s devaluation of the US Dollar. However, a long term bet on gold is a bet on long term deterioration of society in general. And a long term deterioration of society means a deterioration of the intrinsic value of what society holds dear, namely gold. In a SHTF situation, including one of wold financial collapse, no one will care about gold. They'll care about food, clothing and shelter, and they won't take gold for any of it.
 

moose

Veteran Expediter
you are spot on on many of your assumptions.
there are 3 stages. just like there have been documented 3 stages 47 times in human history.
*it's all good. now. we can continue to watch American idol. buy food and enjoy our life.
-buying Gold/silver as any other investment.
{the 7 good years}
** a monitory collapse. devalue followed by hyperinflation.
{the 7 bad years}
-Gold/Silver may have very little value. we will need to hold for as much of it as we can.
*** a new monitory system.
history told us that the new FIAT currency will always be Gold base.
-this is where we cash on our investment.
{exiting from slavery to financial freedom}.
Eureka !
 
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Turtle

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Retired Expediter
history told us that the new FIAT currency will always be Gold base.
Unless it's salt or spices or corn or something. Let's just hope (for your sake) it's not strips of bacon or pulled pork sandwiches.
 
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