danthewolf00
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BUT they have served their time in jail and are legal citizens......
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But being an illegal alien does - especially in FL. Nineteen states and DC give illegals drivers licenses.
States Offering Driver’s Licenses to Immigrants
Explore NCSL's map and table reviewing enacted laws to allow unauthorized immigrants to obtain a driver’s licenses.
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danthewolf00
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Who is to say they don't vote......because I guarantee that they don't care in new York and California......as long as you got a driver's license. Remember biden got more votes than even Obama and Biden sat in his basement.
danthewolf00
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Early Indicators
While the new law only recently went into effect, anecdotal evidence is beginning to emerge:
"We are hearing people are starting to leave," Yvette Cruz with the Farmworkers Association of Florida told CBS News of reports of migrant workers abandoning fields and construction projects. "We're just gonna keep seeing that more as the law will take effect." (Source)
"The Florida Policy Institute has stated the legislation could cost Florida’s economy $12.6 billion in one year. Six industries, including construction, agriculture and services, employ an estimated 391,000 undocumented workers, or about 10% of workers in those sectors." (Source)
Some in this forum have said illegal migrants are taking jobs away from Americans who are natural born citizens or otherwise legally documented to live and work in Florida. Would you be kind enough to tell the rest of us where the replacement workers will come from? If this law is fully enforced, and if the immigrants keep leaving, Florida crops may rot unharvested in the fields. Farm owners are saying Americans will not do this work at any price.
While the new law only recently went into effect, anecdotal evidence is beginning to emerge:
"We are hearing people are starting to leave," Yvette Cruz with the Farmworkers Association of Florida told CBS News of reports of migrant workers abandoning fields and construction projects. "We're just gonna keep seeing that more as the law will take effect." (Source)
"The Florida Policy Institute has stated the legislation could cost Florida’s economy $12.6 billion in one year. Six industries, including construction, agriculture and services, employ an estimated 391,000 undocumented workers, or about 10% of workers in those sectors." (Source)
Some in this forum have said illegal migrants are taking jobs away from Americans who are natural born citizens or otherwise legally documented to live and work in Florida. Would you be kind enough to tell the rest of us where the replacement workers will come from? If this law is fully enforced, and if the immigrants keep leaving, Florida crops may rot unharvested in the fields. Farm owners are saying Americans will not do this work at any price.
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danthewolf00
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It’s a lie that they can’t find U.S. citizens to do this work. It’s also stereotypical. Every year there are thousands of young adults that graduate from high schools in the state of Florida and enter the job market. It’s a cop-out to say they won’t do the work at any wage. Companies want the cheap labor.
Just curious. What was the hardest job you’ve ever done?
If not $12.6 billion, then how much? How do you know how much it will cost in lost revenue?
US Army infantry soldier.
Next herdest was section laborer with the Milwaukee Road railroad (a/k/a gandy dancer). That was a summer job between the Army and college; three months of brutal manual labor.
Other jobs had their moments; Auto mechanic doing service calls and tow jobs in Minnesota winters, trucker chaining up roadside on mountain passes, laborer on UPS terminal loading dock (hand load small boxes into 53' trailers at a rapid pace -part-time seasonal), But for the most part, I rarely complain about work. If a job feels like work to me, I find a better job. I've never kept a job i did not like.
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We'll soon find out, won't we? The only way to get Florida high school graduates to work the fields in the summer heat would be at gunpoint or some other forced labor arrangement. A few might take $100/hour to do the work. Maybe quite a few. But your grocery costs would skyrocket.
You're right about "any wage." If the wage was high enough, doctors and lawyers would work the fields. But that's not realistic because people would stop buying those crops because they became too expensive.
You’re were a U.S.citizen when you did those jobs, right?
Your point?
It wouldn’t have to be $100 dollars an hour. It could be done at a quarter of that. I understand many don’t want to do certain jobs, but there would be enough that do. I personally wouldn’t want to work in a slaughterhouse, but I’ve worked hard and dirty jobs for multiple of years. It’s a matter of getting accustom to doing a particular job and being paid a incentivizing wage.
Jobs you listed that were manual labor or “stepping stones”. You did those jobs. Why wouldn’t other U.S citizens do hard jobs as well in agriculture for example? They would if they were paid a very good wage.
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danthewolf00
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What ever happened to the temporary work visa program that's been in place for decades? Are we to believe that these six industries are unaware of this long-standing source of legal immigrant labor? It might be wise to take this CBS News report with a grain or two of salt. They aren't really DeSantis fans, after all.
And as I said above, if higher wages and benefits were paid, our grocery costs would soar more than they are soaring now.
That program is poorly administered. It is receiving a renewed focus in response to the new Florida law, but that does not mean it will change. Washington gets little done these days, even when it would make sense to do so. And when you pass a law that prompts illegal migrants to move out of the state, the labor supply would be diminished even if the guest worker program was reformed.
danthewolf00
Veteran Expediter
Keeping people who are here legally is good kicking out the illegal aliens is federal law.....it would take a act of Congress to change things. And we all know how well that would go.