Custom Rigs: Worth the Expense?

jmcglone

Seasoned Expediter
Hey, all--

I'm working on a piece for EO on custom rigs and whether they're worth the money. Seemed fitting to me to ask your opinion(s). So what of it? Are custom rigs worth it to you? Do you think it's better to just personalize a bit at a time? Why/why not?

As usual, there's a chance I'll quote you--and you'll get credit and linked back here. Thanks for your input!
 

ATeam

Senior Member
Retired Expediter
Custom rigs are worth every penny you pay for them, if you believe they are worth every penny you pay. They are not worth a cent if you don't care about the safety enhancements, quality of life features and creature comforts custom rigs can provide.

Personalizing a truck a bit at a time vs. all at once is up to the owner. Some people take great joy in continually fiddling with their trucks and that can be a rewarding end in itself. Diane and I built our custom truck from new and did it all at once so we could enjoy all of the features from the first day.
 
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greg334

Veteran Expediter
I don't understand the safety enhancements thing. I don't see that with custom rigs just like I don't see it with custom cars. The customizer doesn't spend millions in testing to ensure safety is enhanced, as much as the RV industry has done little to ensure the safety of the occupants.

My truck does the same thing as a large costly apartment on wheels, it may do it in a compact form but I have a toilet, shower, heat and other things very livable within the confines of the unit. It isn't fancy but it is actually worth more than those who have $200k plus investing into a truck because it does the same exact thing as those expensive trucks but it is paid for and earning money.
 

06081956

Seasoned Expediter
I enjoy customizing every day they come out with something new. I think its a personal pride thing more than making money.
 

geo

Veteran Expediter
Charter Member
Retired Expediter
US Navy
when i started out with 1800 ud it was a good truck it did the job

then moved up to fl60 freightliner it was a better truck to do same job

western star was the top of the line with all comfort's
to make life on the road better

then going local with sprinter , custom for running local
with the roller's in floor to move freight in and out

you need the right unit to do job you want it to do
making a plan and make it work
 

nightcreacher

Veteran Expediter
When your talking of custom trucks,are you talking of those with the big sleepers,or the ones that are just a little different than the rest.Ive never owned a truck with oner of those custom sleepers,but have owned a couple trucks that I put my own personal touches to.When I sold or traded these trucks,did I get more for them,answer is no,but they were easier to get rid of.It also makes you feel better when you hear nice truck coming over the CB radio.
 

x06col

Veteran Expediter
Charter Member
Retired Expediter
US Army
You may wanna consider doing a speel on my tree tousand dollah 1992 Farmall while you are at it. The numbers will not be as confusing to your readers.

Better yet, do a comparison of trucks such as mine and say Phil's. Doing a cost analysis of all things considered like revenue, maint, etc. Might be an interesting read.
 

greg334

Veteran Expediter
x06col, that would be an unfair comparison, only the smart ones buy used and leverage it to their advantage.
 

ATeam

Senior Member
Retired Expediter
You may wanna consider doing a speel on my tree tousand dollah 1992 Farmall while you are at it. The numbers will not be as confusing to your readers.

Better yet, do a comparison of trucks such as mine and say Phil's. Doing a cost analysis of all things considered like revenue, maint, etc. Might be an interesting read.

It might be an interesting read but it would also be an apples and oranges comparison. You might as well compare cargo vans to semi trucks.

I know little about your reasons for being in the business, x06col, or your ways of going about it, but suspect that your reasons and ways vary as much from ours as your truck varies from ours. If we were trying to accomplish the same things, our trucks would look more alike.
 

skyraider

Veteran Expediter
US Navy
My son tried the custom thing, he said dad , all that custom stuff does is drain ur wallet of money u need for maintenance, that was his opinon. Me, Im in a van, I got 2 bathrooms, a jug up front and one in the back, yep pee jugs at arm reach, lol. As for customizing it, I got bug covered paint for that modern art look, good tires, new oil once a month, new brakes every 6 months, good tranny, extra lites, so I guess my customizing is up to date maintenance,,shiny chome stuff never made me a living...........but i like those shiny big rigs, I just would never spend my money on that stuff.:)
 

nightcreacher

Veteran Expediter
The money spent specializing your truck is a write off on your income tax,as is anything you do to the exterior of the truck.If you add special stuff to the interior,as no one really sees it but you,this isn't a write off,except maybe putting in new seats, getting rid of the worn out ones.
yes your son is right,a truck that cost $200000,and a truck that cost $50000,leased to tha same company,as long as the drivers stay as busy as each other will gross about the same income.The $200000 truck may save on motel bills each month,but is the savings of the motel bills worth the extra cost for that big sleeper truck?
I customized a 1994 GMC pick up truck in 1994,from paint to engine to interior,and was about to do engine mods when I said to myself,this is getting out of hand.So I traded the truck for a 1997 Pontiac GTP Grand Prix.Did I make any money on the truck no,did the dealer get more for it yes,and the guy that bought it won a ton of trophys with it.Would I do it again,probably not,but I had the enjoyment of owning it when I did.
 
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greg334

Veteran Expediter
Write off mean that you spent money on something that you could have used somewhere else.

Customizing a truck for a specific purpose is one thing but to become a driving show piece is a bit much.

It might be an interesting read but it would also be an apples and oranges comparison. You might as well compare cargo vans to semi trucks.

Phil, get over it. It would be a good comparison because it will prove that it does not matter how much money you dump into a truck, the truck is still a tool and only a tool.

I know little about your reasons for being in the business, x06col, or your ways of going about it, but suspect that your reasons and ways vary as much from ours as your truck varies from ours. If we were trying to accomplish the same things, our trucks would look more alike.

The reasons are the same - to make money. He accomplished the same thing I do, and I accomplish the same thing you do - make money.
 

davekc

Senior Moderator
Staff member
Fleet Owner
That comparison on the 3k corn binder would be a interesting read.
I think the motivations change based on several things. I done it with the basics of a ford 350 all the way to a full blown camping machine. Amazing how that changes when you bring the wife in the truck.:p
From a fleet owner perspective, we have went to all large camping machines. Several issues come into play with that decision. One is hiring husband and wife teams only, so it becomes somewhat of a retention/recruiting tool. Second one is the type of freight. Over the last three years, we have been doing a lot of DOD loads. Many bases have limited amenities at their holding facilities. That combined with running almost constantly, justifies the addition of showers and commodes in the trucks.
Could it be done with a basic truck? Absolutely. But if I have trucks sitting, my hypothetical basic truck cost savings just went out the window.
Maybe not on the Farmall, but I would have to have someone driving it.
Last but not least, is probably in the resale end. I have been able to buy them cheap enough with volume to turn them over and get a fair price verses a purchase of a basic truck.
Keep in mind, I wouldn't attempt this thinking with something like a Hino. They depreciate way too fast and their longevity is pretty questionable in a over the road application.

There's my penny in the pond.
 

Turtle

Administrator
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Retired Expediter
"we have went to all large camping machines."
We have went? Seriously? We have went?
Sorry, just couldn't help myself. :D

Here's a couple more disjointed thoughts.

People crack me up doing something because it's a write-off. They spend fist fulls of money to save a small handful later. Kinda like throwing wadded up five dollar bills at nickels.

Driving around a show piece is a bit much. Well, maybe, maybe not. What someone chooses to do with their entertainment dollar is up to them. Some people buy DVDs and some people play video games.

Some people like it rough and tough Spartan and beat their chest because they're big and tough and only sleep 4 hours a night while others are sane and like things comfortable.

A truck is just a tool, used to complete a task. Well, to some it is. To others it's much more. A computer is just a tool, used to complete a task. Well, to some it is, to others it's much more.

The goal is to make money. Well, for most people, probably, but certainly not for everyone. And even then it's mostly a matter of degree. Some people want or need to make the most money they can, anyway they can. For others a more modest amount is plenty.

If you want a custom rig, then get a custom rig. If you don't, then don't. As shallow as it may seem, if your truck makes you feel good about yourself, it's hard to put a price on that, since generally speaking the better you feel about yourself the better person you are to others and you'll tend to be better at what you do. That's not to say you need a spiffy truck to feel good about yourself. Some people take great pride in being frugal. There ya go.

The original question begs a consensus, but because the answer is such a personal one, there will be no consensus. All I know is, I haven't spent a dime outfitting my vans that I wouldn't spend again for the same types of things.
 
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chefdennis

Veteran Expediter
Turtle wrote:

Kinda like throwing wadded up five dollar bills at nickels.

I think I remember you statiing somewhere on here that you have owned a boat or 2 !?!? :D LOL I know have and your statement kinda reflects boat ownership also...:D
 

Turtle

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Retired Expediter
I think I remember you statiing somewhere on here that you have owned a boat or 2 !?!? :D LOL I know have and your statement kinda reflects boat ownership also...:D
True enough, the houseboat was written off as a second home, but we didn't buy it for that purpose. It was an added benefit, one that actually I wasn't even aware of until after we got the thing.

It's not like the houseboat was a Donald Trump hand-me-down or anything. It was a modest 25-year old boat that we got for a relatively cheap price.

Of course, "BOAT" stands for Break Out Another Thousand, which we did with disturbing regularity.
 

ATeam

Senior Member
Retired Expediter
As shallow as it may seem, if your truck makes you feel good about yourself, it's hard to put a price on that, since generally speaking the better you feel about yourself the better person you are to others and you'll tend to be better at what you do. That's not to say you need a spiffy truck to feel good about yourself. Some people take great pride in being frugal. There ya go.

You raise a good point about self esteem as it relates to show trucks. Goodness knows the world is full of people who live life from the outside in and load themselves up with all sorts of material goods in the quest for happiness. Show truck owners are no different, I presume. My guess is that a number of them (not all) seek out and thrive on the recognition a show truck can bring.

Diane and I own a show truck but for different reasons. If status and prestige were important to us, we would not have left our white-collar professions to become truck drivers. I had my fifteen minutes of fame (see my bio) and learned from it that I don't want or need 15 more.

We have never knowingly entered our truck in a show and don't expect we ever will. (We once parked it where requested when we attended a truck show, but did not know it was in competition until someone handed us a winner's ribbon when the show ended. Had we known the truck was in a contest, we would have parked it someplace else.)

We did not build our truck so other people would notice and appreciate us. We built our truck so we would notice and appreciate it.

We ran three years in fleet owner trucks (Class 8 D and DR-units with factory sleepers and no special features). While we succeeded in that game, we wanted more. We wanted the freedom that comes with not having a fleet owner in your life. We wanted to make more money and be more comfortable and secure on the road than we could in fleet owner trucks; thus our truck.

The custom truck we built has been fantastic for us. If we had it to do over again, we would build the exact same truck (except some very minor modifications). The floor plan is perfect. The working parts of the truck have served our business well. It drives like a dream.

The truck has paid for itself.

The truck has paid for its expenses.

The truck has paid for our health insurance, gifts to others, gifts to ourselves and ongoing living expenses.

The truck has paid for our retirement plan contributions.

The truck has paid for our Florida vacation home.

The truck has paid for my trading grubstake.

The truck has paid for the progress we have made toward our long-term financial goals.

The truck is paying for its replacement.

The reason our truck has done so much is because we did not focus only on the costs of owning a truck. We also focused on the revenue this particular kind of truck can generate.

It does not matter what kind of van or truck someone owns. It won't produce a dime if no one drives it. We designed a truck that perfectly meets the needs and desires of its drivers, and thereby enhances our productivity.
 
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chefdennis

Veteran Expediter
House boats can be alot of fun on those big lakes in Kentucky...and yea i know all about throwing money at boats...I think the saying is a "hole in the water you throw cash into"....then you pay to store it and dock it!!!:rolleyes:
 

Turtle

Administrator
Staff member
Retired Expediter
We had the houseboat in a covered slip, that cost us $400 a month. Lots of like-sized houseboats there, many of which had people living in them as their primary or even sole home. People who live full time on a houseboat in a slip and rarely if ever take it out are just plain weird. But we had shore power and cable TV and water and stuff, so that's all ya need, I guess.
 
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