Curious on truck purchase
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I had lunch with Jon Mosier a few days ago. There are virtually no slots left other than a few in the third quarter. The first, second and fourth quarter slots are all already taken. I would think that if an order isn't end by EOM (end of month) there won't be an '06 available.
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Question to the post, so does that mean a 05 in great condition will be worth a premium in two more years?
Having heard the cost of the '07 will be about $10k higher for initial purchase as well as needing a rebuild of the fuel tank sized emissions cannister every 150k miles for around $1500 I'd say a very good used truck will have a premium of several thousand dollars. One could add $5000 to the used truck price and still be $5k on the positive side compared to the $10k extra for the '07 engine.
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Can you go into detail more about the emmissions cartridge you speak of? I'm curious about that.
Is that on all '07 trucks?
or certain makes and models?
I'm plannin' on becoming an O/O sometime in the 1st quarter of 2007.
Whether I get my truck thru Swift or not is another question... right now they're only offering the T2000... and while I love the cab of that truck, I don't like the sleeper at all. I feel they've made the bottom bunk too wide. While it gives you plenty of space under the bottom bunk, it takes away from closets and storage area's between the bunk and the front seats. The top bunk to interior roof height is also very short in the T2000, a person can not sit upright on the top bunk in the T2000 - unlike a Freightliner or Volvo.
I'm hoping they bring back the Columbia into their lease/purchase program - then I'd consider.
I highly doubt I'll get into the lease/purchase plan within Swift. I'm not too crazy about those deals.
I'm still tossing around the plans though on the drawing board.
Ultimately I'd like a decent used Freightliner Columbia or Volvo 770 that I could buy for less than say $30K from a dealer.
2007 will be when I go O/O though, and an '03 or '04 model would be perfect for me by then. I like the KW W900L's, and some have told me that I can "take over somebody else's truck".
ok, had to dig for it in paperwork - found it though...
Within Swift Fleet - for a NEW O/O (one that's never been an O/O within the Swift fleet) $500 to $1,000 down will get you an '06 truck... right now all they're offering is the T2000's.
They base it on what you've been runnin' a week for miles.
The lower your average miles have been, the more you'll have to pay.
if you take over somebody else's truck it's 0 down.
That's somethin' I'd consider doing too. Taking over another truck.
payments are in the neighborhood of 2,000 a week for an '06.
That's why many O/O's train, they're gettin' .88 cpm, and .05 cpm for miles the student runs. Most of the time fuel is gotten at the terminals, but you can get fuel anywhere as an O/O.
Co. drivers have to get fuel where the QC tells you to - and that's at the terminals 75% of the time.
if you're an existing O/O within Swift and you want to get another '06 truck it's $2,500 down.
Though I've heard $5,000 down as well, so I could be wrong on that.
$8 a week for Bobtail ins., $26 week for QC.
I'm curious about the '07 engines though, because it could effect my truck purchase decisions enormously.
BigBusBob
Is that on all '07 trucks?
or certain makes and models?
I'm plannin' on becoming an O/O sometime in the 1st quarter of 2007.
Whether I get my truck thru Swift or not is another question... right now they're only offering the T2000... and while I love the cab of that truck, I don't like the sleeper at all. I feel they've made the bottom bunk too wide. While it gives you plenty of space under the bottom bunk, it takes away from closets and storage area's between the bunk and the front seats. The top bunk to interior roof height is also very short in the T2000, a person can not sit upright on the top bunk in the T2000 - unlike a Freightliner or Volvo.
I'm hoping they bring back the Columbia into their lease/purchase program - then I'd consider.
I highly doubt I'll get into the lease/purchase plan within Swift. I'm not too crazy about those deals.
I'm still tossing around the plans though on the drawing board.
Ultimately I'd like a decent used Freightliner Columbia or Volvo 770 that I could buy for less than say $30K from a dealer.
2007 will be when I go O/O though, and an '03 or '04 model would be perfect for me by then. I like the KW W900L's, and some have told me that I can "take over somebody else's truck".
ok, had to dig for it in paperwork - found it though...
Within Swift Fleet - for a NEW O/O (one that's never been an O/O within the Swift fleet) $500 to $1,000 down will get you an '06 truck... right now all they're offering is the T2000's.
They base it on what you've been runnin' a week for miles.
The lower your average miles have been, the more you'll have to pay.
if you take over somebody else's truck it's 0 down.
That's somethin' I'd consider doing too. Taking over another truck.
payments are in the neighborhood of 2,000 a week for an '06.
That's why many O/O's train, they're gettin' .88 cpm, and .05 cpm for miles the student runs. Most of the time fuel is gotten at the terminals, but you can get fuel anywhere as an O/O.
Co. drivers have to get fuel where the QC tells you to - and that's at the terminals 75% of the time.
if you're an existing O/O within Swift and you want to get another '06 truck it's $2,500 down.
Though I've heard $5,000 down as well, so I could be wrong on that.
$8 a week for Bobtail ins., $26 week for QC.
I'm curious about the '07 engines though, because it could effect my truck purchase decisions enormously.
BigBusBob
I am totally not mechanical so I only know what I've heard talking to the guys where I got my truck. From what I gather this new cannister is the size of a small fuel tank.. maybe reefer tank size as far as volume of space goes. It could be smaller diameter and longer, I'm not sure but I was told situating it is a pretty big engineering headache. I was also told it would have to be either rebuilt or swapped at 150k miles at an estimated $1500 so it adds 1cpm to operating costs. That's all I know and is subject to all being corrected. I'm not nearly as positive of this as I was of the APU weight allowance so I'll be interested to hear any and all corrections.
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This is definitely going to be self serving, but here goes anyhow. You guys are only talking about Freightliners and Internationals like there are no other trucks on the market. Let me bring you up to date on the Hino model 338. There are currently several thousand 2007 U.S. emissions compliant Hinos running everyday in Japan. There have been stringent emissions and particulate standards in Japan for many years. There were only simple modifications required to bring the 8 liter J08E-T engine into compliance. The particulate filter is about the size of a football and has an estimated service life of 400,000 - 500,000 miles. The replacement cost is minimal. The price increase between 2006 and 2007 will be the significantly less than the $10,000 you speak of. Probably less than half of that. Chassis availability is good and will get better as the year progresses, not worse. No one at Hino is excited about compliance, done deal. Order them and they will be built. As an added bonus there is no appreciable loss in performance, reliability, or miles per gallon. Which is already some of the best in class 7. Did I mention that, with the exception of the engine and cab, the truck is built in the United States of American components? Oh yeah, they haven't been cabovers since 2004.
One serious drawback to Hino, at least if I were looking, is a lack of power. The 33k truck lists 260hp/585tq as it's output. I was singing the blues with 300/860 so I can't imagine dropping to that power level in a D unit truck. If it were a C unit carrying no more than 5k freight at 25k max then maybe, a slim maybe, it might be enough but I just can't see it as anything other than an around town truck.
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Leo, the only prize for being the first guy to get to the top of the hill is that it cost you the most to get there. Fuel economy is taking precedent over big horses. And unless fuel gets back down to that buck a gallon world again, it's going to contiinue to lean that way. The guy who keeps the most of what he grosses is the real winner.
I don't think it will be a speed demon but might be a viable option depending on what the total weight is at the end. Certainly won't qualify as a heavy hauler but the M2's are roughly at that same HP rating with alittle higher torque. 260 and 280. More is available but at additional cost.
Price of course is a consideration for entry level buyers, and the other issue is service and parts. There is a big question there.
Lastly, resale value does have to be considered against the original sale price.
It does beg the question........are there any current drivers running one of the Hino units?
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Price of course is a consideration for entry level buyers, and the other issue is service and parts. There is a big question there.
Lastly, resale value does have to be considered against the original sale price.
It does beg the question........are there any current drivers running one of the Hino units?
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bigguy1001
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Dave, there is one at Panther II (two more on order), 4 at Conway Now, and 2 at FedEx. They are out there. More on the way.
Broompilot
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Economy the Hino's gona be great, over the road 3,000 + a week GOOD LUCK. City truck or Over the Road anyone can take a school bus accross country but back and forth and back and forth.
The comforts that the T-300 has enginered into it can keep me alert, comfortable, and safe for miles on end, can Hino claim the same? You might not want to consider this truck if not in top physical shape or older than 28. I hope I am wrong, would'nt be great if a new vehicle came to market 33GVW, 12 mpg, life expentacny with one rebuild 1.2 million, and still have a small resale left and be comfortable to boot.
Time and Opec will tell.
The comforts that the T-300 has enginered into it can keep me alert, comfortable, and safe for miles on end, can Hino claim the same? You might not want to consider this truck if not in top physical shape or older than 28. I hope I am wrong, would'nt be great if a new vehicle came to market 33GVW, 12 mpg, life expentacny with one rebuild 1.2 million, and still have a small resale left and be comfortable to boot.
Time and Opec will tell.
I'm not suggesting one needs to be first to the top of the hill but having driven trucks that could barely hold 30mph by the top of the hill I am leery of only 585 torque. That just seems too low for any kind of weight on any kind of hill. I'd love to hear more about them though as far as costs, specs, how they're set up as expediters as far as sleepers etc. and actual user reports.
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will eventually get it right but im sticking with what i got. twice the hp. and tqe at three times more and 2mpg better and not burning the motor up trying to run 65 or 70. just a note on mpg, most loads about 85% have been under 5k.
Do they have the four cylinder or the six? The one I seen at the expo had air ride seats but no air ride suspension. They now have air ride suspension as a option.
The economy that you mentioned would have me concerned. My other question would be is it a 6 speed? Two miles a gallon is a concern depending on how it is speced. I would expect something in the 9 to 10 range.
Their site is www.hino.com
They do have a 33000 GVW model
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The economy that you mentioned would have me concerned. My other question would be is it a 6 speed? Two miles a gallon is a concern depending on how it is speced. I would expect something in the 9 to 10 range.
Their site is www.hino.com
They do have a 33000 GVW model
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bigguy1001
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It's not one of our expediters. All have had air ride seats and air ride suspensions. None of the major carriers will take a truck w/o air ride. If what he is saying is a fact that team needs to call the HINOWATCH phone number and get that truck to a dealer. Hino gives three years worth of roadside assistance with every new truck. You call that number and they will come out and open it if you lock your keys in it, bring you fuel if you run out, and jump start you if the battery is dead. It also offers assistance with service locations and it sounds like they need a service location. It has a 3 year unlimited warranty, the diagnosis is covered. The drivers I have spoken to pay for their own fuel and have had nothing but good things to say about it. Except the sound of the horn, a little to high pitched. You are right about one thing, it's not a 75 MPH truck. Drive it in it's sweet spot(58-60 mph) and it will treat you just fine. So they drive up against the governer all the time, what kind of mileage would you expect?