Could there be better people

greg334

Veteran Expediter
that would represent a minority who can run for president?

I mean I am reading about David Paterson who will be taking over as governor of NY, get this, contingent on approval of Spitzer.

Well anyway, I say there are people in the Dems'crat party who would make good leaders, maybe we will see this guy come up the ranks too.

I know he is a David Dinken's dem (if you know anything about David Dinkens), that may be a problem but I look at it this way, listening to him this morning, I found his comments about moving on rather out of place seeing we are still hearing the responses to Ferraro's truthful comments about Obama.

Tallcal, any comment on Paterson?
 

Robsdad

Seasoned Expediter
Greg:
I will never see it in my lifetime but, I would love to see a third party. I think both parties have lost their way. They both say things along their party lines and bang! they get elected and forget everything and do it their way. I am so disgusted with both parties. They stink. They smell of sewage. Spend money like it grows on trees. Print some more we will just borrow more money from China or wherever, the tax payers have to pay it back, who cares.
Enough I am about to beat the letters off my keyboard. This election sucks. Not a decent candidate left.:mad:
 

Robsdad

Seasoned Expediter
You know Greg, I got to thinking more about your post here. I know you remember Ross Perot (spelling may not be correct) running on the independent ticket. We all laughed and scoffed over some of his remarks and ideas, when in fact "Change" was his message. He backed it up with facts and figures and we all laughed and turned our head and voted along party lines. I for one would love to have a candidate again with his ideas and preach change. He would definately get my vote. It may have not been suitable for all but you will have to admit, It would have brought CHANGE.:eek:
 

OntarioVanMan

Retired Expediter
Owner/Operator
Can you picture Ralph Nader on Capitol Hill??? Now that's change! Can you picture the Dems and Repubs?
 

Robsdad

Seasoned Expediter
I don't know if I am ready for that much of a change. The dems and pubs need a little wake up call for sure but Whewww! :p:p:p:p
 

Crazynuff

Veteran Expediter
Can you picture Ralph Nader on Capitol Hill??? Now that's change! Can you picture the Dems and Repubs?
Oh no , Nader would make Joan Claybrook Secretary Of Transportation again ! We'd all have EOBR's and be limited to 8 hours on duty a day with mandatory 16 consecutive hours off and 56 hour max in 8 days and NO restart .
 

Tennesseahawk

Veteran Expediter
Greg:
I will never see it in my lifetime but, I would love to see a third party.

I would rather see the Constitution party become the third party. More likely tho would be the Socialist party. Altho the Dems are so close to them, I doubt anyone could tell the difference.
 

RLENT

Veteran Expediter
Rather than just "a third party", I'd rather a number of "third parties" would prosper and grow, the Greens and the Constitution parties among them. (A friend of mine's father - Howard Phillips - helped found the Constitution party and ran as it's presidential candidate three times.)

I think if the American people were to start seriously considering parties other than the two majors and if the two party system were to break down a little further than it already has (and it is breaking down) the people of the United States would be far better off. Not because there would be further splintering and divisiveness - but because it would eliminate the flip-flopping back and forth between each of the two parties being the dominant one. It would require true cooperation between multiple parties to get anything done.

The two major parties are too strong - and have grown too arrogant as a result. They are two focused on trying to retain their power - instead of working to solve the problems that need solving.

Having a number of potentially viable parties would require more cooperation - by more than just the two - in order to get things done - something that having two (apparently) directly-opposed parties hasn't fostered. The two party system has largely fostered only divisiveness and polarization in the populace - as opposed to cooperation to solve the major problems of the day.

Environmental issues are a legitimate concern.

Security is a legitimate concern.

As are the conditions of one's fellow citizens.

And so is corporate greed and malfeasance.

So are the rights of the unborn.

And a whole host of other issues.

Those (on either side) would friviously dismiss the concerns of their fellow citizens - due to having been polarized by a media who often derives it's own power from creating controversy where there is none - are being extremely short-sighted.

The media's modus operandi is largely to take two apparently opposing viewpoints and pit them against one another - the real way to solve problems is being able to consider more than just two viewpoints. Think about it - if you were trying to diagnose an oil leak in your truck, would you only look for it from two places ? .... and then not seeing the leak, decide that there must not be a problem (when you knew there was one) - or a solution for it - simply because you could not see it from the two places you looked ?

I had been a life-long Republican - up until a few years ago. After the "great betrayal" of the last 8 years, I found that I no longer could support those in power in my party. Had, when my party held both Houses and the Executive branch, they had taken effective action to solve the most critical issues of the day - primarily the continuance of a fiat money system, failure to reform government social programs, further deficit spending, and continued growth of the national debt to the point where we are now functionally bankrupt - I might be inclined to support those in power.

But they chose to continue on with the insanity of the operating basis that is "politics in DC".

Since Ohio has semi-open primaries I switched my party affiliation to "independent" which allows me to vote in any of the primary ballots - Rep, Dem, or independent. I'm kinda with Lou Dobbs about sending a message to the two parties - neither one represents the interests of the American people at this point. They only repesent "their" interest to hold onto power. We need to change that "game" ....

Consider registering as a independent (if you are in an open primary state) - or with a third party - it may be the only that we can reform our currently broken system.
 
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OntarioVanMan

Retired Expediter
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Relent...your correct...if you look at Canada there's no less then 4 viable parties if one gets too big for it's breaches they'll get ganged up on and alliances and deals made....it's not perfect...just keeps the arrogance down abit.
 
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