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StillGoinBroke · Jan 13, 2006

Well it seems Conway found another reason to take more money away from drivers. Seems they have a new plan for fuel surcharges.
It is to take the nat'l average for diesel fuel, subtracting from that 1.25 for which they say at that price we wouldn't get a fuel surcharge and then dividing the difference by 13 which they figured that was the average miles per gallon for ALL vans. Which would be around .10 per mile fsc on all loads. But from what I understand the customer would still be charged the regular rate, (conway keeping the difference) and that this will only apply to B units.

As in all cases the O/O - driver loses again.

Lawrence · Jan 13, 2006

Sorry to hear of your misfortune.

I do have to ask and address another issue with your post.

This is your VERY first post; in fact you just registered today. Welcome to EO.

I do have some issues with your post so let me get to my point. This isn't a CB radio. It is a community, an online community - albeit not a perfect community - it is still a place were people gather.

It is where people exchange their ideas, opinions AND experiences - good, bad and indifferent.

My issue with your post is this. We have been online since 1999, it sounds like you have been in this business awhile. Why did you make your FIRST post, a negative one?

I'm wondering if you could have contributed something positive to the community FIRST before making your statement today. That is not to say we don't deal with tough issues here that effect owner operators and drivers. We do. Everyday and everyway.

For example - it's not appropriate to go into a coffee table discussion and blurt something out like -"this ##### coffee is cold", you typically contribute "something" to the discussion first.

I think its called netiquette.

You are welcomed to the forum, and you are welcomed to share your experience. Just remember this isn't a CB and we hope that you can share your positive ideas and experiences as well.

IMHO.

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guest · Jan 13, 2006

New formula applies to D units as well. It won't ALWAYS result in a lower fsc than in the past but it usually will.

slowhand · Jan 13, 2006

Well said Lawrence!!!! Just tell it like it is.

mrgoodtude · Jan 13, 2006

Hey Still going broke....Do not despair "b" units are not the only units affected the the new fuel surcharge, our "d" unit is affected as well. We averaged 4 loads from the 1st of November (at which time the national fuel average would be less} and we arrived at the following conclusion...Fuel Surcharge Paid Actual $827.35
Fuel Surcharge At .16 (next weeks surcharge)$657.44 for the same loads a variance (generic) of $169.91 for just 4 loads. WOW
We intend to do a spreadsheet so as to get a factual comparison but will have to research previous National fuel averages to accomplish that.
Did you guys get a rate increase starting Monday or was that only the D units?
I would like to feel in a perfect world we could all be devout optimists
But in spite of myself I can't help but be a little cynical hence I appreciate your post even if perceived to be negative as it incites thought. Not everyone aspires to be a drone...Question authority

Hogwash · Jan 13, 2006

StillGoinBroke:

Come on over to my table and feel free to say whatever is on your mind.

Hog

StillGoinBroke · Jan 13, 2006

Well another driver friend was told by a recruiter that it was just vans. Another case of the right hand not knowing what the left is doing. As far as a rate hike,I'd have to say no seeing that it was never mentioned and that (overall) we took a pay cut last year.

As far as this being a negitive post, I don't believe it was. I was just conveying information so all would know what was going on.
I thought conveying information was one reason for this forum, Whether you like the information or not.
As far as the message being negative,to(Con-Way O/O and drivers,)
It is nonetheless fact. Because you don't like the message, ( DON'T SHOOT THE MESSENGER ) And as far as this being my first post it is not. I have been a member of EO for many years and have posted quite a bit, always trying to help and not be negitive. This post was just made under a new name for (OBVIOUS)reasons. And as far as being compared to a cb radio, I just don't see the comparison. There was no vulgarity, I wasn't venting or slamming anyone. Just stating what was going on. And in relation to it being a negitive post, It was very mild to alot that I have seen on here in the recent past.

StillGoinBroke · Jan 13, 2006

Thanks, I'll even let you buy the coffee.

DannyD · Jan 13, 2006

Hiya Lawrence,

I respect what you've done w/ this site, but I gotta run w/ Still on this one. He didn't slam anyone in a vicious manner. He's disappointed in how something went, which I can't say I blame him.

Sometimes different things trigger people to post. For some it may be questions about the industry. Others it may be something great that happened & for others it may be a disappointment about something. Others may have a different reason altogether.

I have a hunch if Still sticks around, he'll contribute a fair amount in terms of both good & bad, just all depends on how he views an issue.

That's my 2 cents for what it's worth.

Good luck to Still & continues success to Lawrence w/ EO,
Danny

targuard86 · Jan 13, 2006

last time I posted something negative but true about conway I got kicked off this site for a year........whats up with you and Conway and Lawrence?

Lawrence · Jan 13, 2006

>last time I posted something negative but true about conway
>I got kicked off this site for a year........whats up with
>you and Conway and Lawrence?

targuard86,

Who are you?

I think we have only had maybe 5 or so people in 8 years who have been banned from posting.

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davekc · Jan 13, 2006

While I don't drive for Conway, it would be prudent to provide all of the information pertaining to this issue prior to rushing to judgement.
This happens with many companies and snowballs because ALL of the information is not provided.
Based on posts so far, it only indicates from the author on how it effects vans.
Another says you are getting a rate increase. Vans, straights or both?
Another says they are keeping the difference from their drivers yet charging the company the same.
Another says it applies only to vans and another says it applies to both van and straight trucks.
How is it calculated on straight trucks? I hope not the 13 MPG.
Without knowing the author it is easy to tag a post like this without knowing who it is. If you are new here, whats to say it isn't your first day with Conway? That wasn't known at first. You did however address that question in a follow up post.
Just trying to keep a open mind until more information is provided.

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huntn1 · Jan 14, 2006

sounds like he struck a raw nerve, but i liked his post. the fuel surcharge is so far behind its pitiful.the guys in the trenches are hurting, repos up 188% since this time last year.until we stick it to the shippers thing wont change. join ooida, theyre pushing for ways to help us on this matter. i know yall want to paint a rosey picture here but i think we talked on that issue on some post earlier this week.

guest · Jan 14, 2006

The other change that accompanied the fsc calculation change was an increase in the D unit team rate from 1.15 to 1.21 per mile, which is great news for teams, so there is some good with the bad.

Unfortunately, as a single this change did not cheer me up much.

davekc · Jan 14, 2006

Mike,
So there isn't mass confusion, how are they calculating this new FSC?

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Moot · Jan 14, 2006

Con-Way Now's new method of calculating F.S.C. for 'B' units is as follows- National diesel fuel average ( U.S. Departmen of Engery) minus $1.25 (base price) divided by 13 (Average m.p.g) equals fuel surcharge per mile. Moot:-( :-(

davekc · Jan 14, 2006

What is the rate for straights and did the vans see a increase in rates as well?
If you are using 13 MPG on vans, what is it on ST's?

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Moot · Jan 14, 2006

Don't know the rate for trucks. I own and drive a van. Last january I got a pay increase from $1.02 per mile to .80 per mile. This year per mile is still .80. I hope it stays there because I can't afford another pay increase.

This fuel surcharge will probably result in us parting ways after 9 years.

What are other large carriers paying vans.

guest · Jan 15, 2006

I was sleepy when it was explained to me so I don't know exactly, but at $2.45 a gallon I think it comes out to around 16 cents a mile for D units. Someone correct me if I'm wrong or if you know the exact formula. I compared it to a few of my recent loads and it yields a fsc that is lower than the fsc on all of the loads prior to the change. I suspect it may provide a higher fsc on loads for some of the larger clients that have negotiated a very low fsc, so in some cases the new formula may provide a higher fsc.