I have been reading up on the regulations on driving and rest time you have to do to be leagal but all the legal stuff is confusing can someone tell me in plane english what are the rules? For example what is the max you can drive? The max you can be on duty not driving or on duty not driving and driving? What is the requirement for you to rest if you reach your max driving time and/or max driving time and on duty not driving time?
Confused about maximum driving time!!
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nightcreacher
Veteran Expediter
ok here goes:
if you are running as a single operator,
11 HOURS MAX DRIVING IN ONE DAY
14 HOURS YOU ARE PERMITTED TO WORK
IF IN THE 11 HOURS YOU ARE DRIVING,YOU TAKE An 8 HOURS SLEEP IN THE BUNK,THAT WILL STOP THE WORKING CLOCK,AND THEN YOU FINISH THE REST OF YOUR 14 HOUR WORK DAY.
THAT IS THE REST OF YOUR DRIVING TIME,THE REST OF YOUR LOADING AND LOADING TIME, AND THE OTHER 2 HOURS OF YOUR OFF DUTY TIME.
YOU CANT WORK MORE THAN 14 HOURS IN A 24 HOUR PERIOD,ONLY THING THAT CHANGES THAT IS THE 8 HOURS OFF IN THE SLEEPER OR 10 HOURS STRAIGHT OFF DUTY.
ALSO,IN THAT 10 HOURS OFF DUTY,IT DOESNT SAY ANYTHING ABOUT WHAT YOU ARE DOING FOR THAT 10 HOURS,SO THIS NEW REGULATION REALLY SUCKS AS IF PLAYING VIDEO GAMES FOR 10 HOURS,WHERES THE REST
CLEAR AS MUD RIGHT
OOIDA 263839
FED EX CC SINCE 1984
E 6613
steve gilbert
if you are running as a single operator,
11 HOURS MAX DRIVING IN ONE DAY
14 HOURS YOU ARE PERMITTED TO WORK
IF IN THE 11 HOURS YOU ARE DRIVING,YOU TAKE An 8 HOURS SLEEP IN THE BUNK,THAT WILL STOP THE WORKING CLOCK,AND THEN YOU FINISH THE REST OF YOUR 14 HOUR WORK DAY.
THAT IS THE REST OF YOUR DRIVING TIME,THE REST OF YOUR LOADING AND LOADING TIME, AND THE OTHER 2 HOURS OF YOUR OFF DUTY TIME.
YOU CANT WORK MORE THAN 14 HOURS IN A 24 HOUR PERIOD,ONLY THING THAT CHANGES THAT IS THE 8 HOURS OFF IN THE SLEEPER OR 10 HOURS STRAIGHT OFF DUTY.
ALSO,IN THAT 10 HOURS OFF DUTY,IT DOESNT SAY ANYTHING ABOUT WHAT YOU ARE DOING FOR THAT 10 HOURS,SO THIS NEW REGULATION REALLY SUCKS AS IF PLAYING VIDEO GAMES FOR 10 HOURS,WHERES THE REST
CLEAR AS MUD RIGHT
OOIDA 263839
FED EX CC SINCE 1984
E 6613
steve gilbert
Think of your time not as a calendar or clock but as a countdown timer. For discussion we're going to presume you are starting brand new on day 1 so there is no prior time in your logbook at all. You are as brand new as they come. Your time isn't bound by the date on the calendar because it can and often will overlap from one to another. It's all based on elapsed time, that's why I say let's think countdown timer.
You start out with 14 hours on your countdown timer. When you click start the first 15 minutes in your log are going to be line 4 doing a PTI on the truck. That's a given, or at least should be. From the moment you click start you are allowed to log a maximum of 14 hours with a maximum of only 11 of those hours being line 3 driving hours.
If you click start at 0800 then you must be parked at your destination for your 10 hour DOT rest break no later than 2200 that night. If you click start at 1600 then you must be stopped no later than 0600 the following calendar morning.
Hypothetical day with logbook line numbers in parenthesis, 0800 click start, do PTI 15 minutes (4), drive 45 minutes to shipper (3), check in at office, back up to door, get loaded, collect paperwork and roll (15 on 4) (45 on 1), drive until stop for fuel 2.5 hours (3), fuel truck half hour (4), lunch half hour (1) drive until pitstop 4 hours (3), pitstop 30 minutes (1), drive one hour (3), (1) win lucky dog drawing and pull around behind scales to take in paperwork 30 minutes (4), drive one hour to consignee (3), check in at office, back up to door, get unloaded, collect signed paperwork and roll (15 on 4) (45 on 1), drive 30 minutes to truckstop to wait on next load (3).
Accidentally, this adds up to 14 hours total with 9.75 hours being spent driving. This would be a legally logged day. If any one of those things had taken 15 minutes longer then this would be a violation of the 14 hour rule since your countdown timer would have run to zero half way to the truckstop in your last driving segment.
I hope that helps some. Good luck.
Leo Bricker, 73's K5LDB, OOIDA 677319
Owner, Panther trucks 5507, 5508, 5509
Highway Watch Participant, Truckerbuddy
EO Forum Moderator
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You start out with 14 hours on your countdown timer. When you click start the first 15 minutes in your log are going to be line 4 doing a PTI on the truck. That's a given, or at least should be. From the moment you click start you are allowed to log a maximum of 14 hours with a maximum of only 11 of those hours being line 3 driving hours.
If you click start at 0800 then you must be parked at your destination for your 10 hour DOT rest break no later than 2200 that night. If you click start at 1600 then you must be stopped no later than 0600 the following calendar morning.
Hypothetical day with logbook line numbers in parenthesis, 0800 click start, do PTI 15 minutes (4), drive 45 minutes to shipper (3), check in at office, back up to door, get loaded, collect paperwork and roll (15 on 4) (45 on 1), drive until stop for fuel 2.5 hours (3), fuel truck half hour (4), lunch half hour (1) drive until pitstop 4 hours (3), pitstop 30 minutes (1), drive one hour (3), (1) win lucky dog drawing and pull around behind scales to take in paperwork 30 minutes (4), drive one hour to consignee (3), check in at office, back up to door, get unloaded, collect signed paperwork and roll (15 on 4) (45 on 1), drive 30 minutes to truckstop to wait on next load (3).
Accidentally, this adds up to 14 hours total with 9.75 hours being spent driving. This would be a legally logged day. If any one of those things had taken 15 minutes longer then this would be a violation of the 14 hour rule since your countdown timer would have run to zero half way to the truckstop in your last driving segment.
I hope that helps some. Good luck.
Leo Bricker, 73's K5LDB, OOIDA 677319
Owner, Panther trucks 5507, 5508, 5509
Highway Watch Participant, Truckerbuddy
EO Forum Moderator
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Support the entire Constitution, not just the parts you like.
T Bird,if you are having difficulty understanding HOS rules and axle weight limits you just might not be suited for this business. Why not head to some truck stops in your area and spend some time with experienced drivers,Buy them coffee and they will answer your questions.
D Team Brothers
Expert Expediter
Been driving for some years now and I still question myself about the new hours. Guess I'll aways consider myself a newbie. But that's what this great forum is all about - getting help from those more experienced, and I've greatly appreciated that help when I've asked. I don't know how I'd feel if I got a response that suggested I didn't belong. Then again I never expect to be a super trucker with all the answers and everything right. I just expect to do my best, help when I can and go on asking questions when I have them. Good luck everyone.
tbird165 said, " have been reading up on the regulations on driving and rest time you have to do to be leagal but all the legal stuff is confusing can someone tell me in plane english what are the rules? "
There is no good reason for HOS rules to be as complex as they are. As with tax law the lawmakers and regulators who craft these rules do us all a major disservice by letting them grow into the politicized mess they have become.
There is no good reason for HOS rules to be as complex as they are. As with tax law the lawmakers and regulators who craft these rules do us all a major disservice by letting them grow into the politicized mess they have become.
greg334
Veteran Expediter
Phil said;
"There is no good reason for HOS rules to be as complex as they are. As with tax law the lawmakers and regulators who craft these rules do us all a major disservice by letting them grow into the politicized mess they have become."
Yes there is a good reason, the big truck companies can benefit from the changes. You can see how the changes can help them keep the trucks rolling - in a way forcing the driver to drive instead of resting.
Also HOS is the fault of all who are voters and professional drivers, but I said that before and I think you would agree it is the voter not the lobbyist or the ATA that matter. If we don't care to do something about it... well enough said.
"There is no good reason for HOS rules to be as complex as they are. As with tax law the lawmakers and regulators who craft these rules do us all a major disservice by letting them grow into the politicized mess they have become."
Yes there is a good reason, the big truck companies can benefit from the changes. You can see how the changes can help them keep the trucks rolling - in a way forcing the driver to drive instead of resting.
Also HOS is the fault of all who are voters and professional drivers, but I said that before and I think you would agree it is the voter not the lobbyist or the ATA that matter. If we don't care to do something about it... well enough said.
Why am I going back to truck driving, and away from Bus Work...
Simply because I've found:
I get more rest driving a truck.
I Don't have to cheat nearly as much driving a truck as I do driving a tour bus... Yes, driving a tour bus (if it's not a private coach) we do have to log. And we log on the old 10 hour rule.
Soooo, I'm hauling band around the country in a private coach, I don't have to log - unless the coach has DOT numbers on it.
I'm hauling people in a pass. coach for a charter bus co. I have to log. I have to get 8 hours of rest after my 10 hours of driving... which when I'm runnin' good, 8 hours is actually more like 4 to 6 hours of actual sleep.
I'm hauling 2 pallets in a straight truck for an expediting co., or 15 pallets in an 18 wheeler then I have to get 10 hours of rest.... and I usually do get atleast 6 to 8 hours of actual sleep - yes, even after showers, meals, and fueling.
The HOS comes down to time management, and so many make it much harder than it really is.
The law is simple, it says you have to show 10 hours of sleeping in a 24 hour period... either a solid 10 in sleeper, or 8 and 2 in it.
How hard is that to figure out? You have to show it... meaning your log book has to read that you, the driver, has slept.
I'm goin' back to truckin' for another reason...
I'm tired of starving because the economy is so outa wack.
I'm not relying on people anymore... On a lighter note, I'm relying on what people "need" from now on... and that is "Truck Freight".
The HOS are simple though, Drive for a bit, get your rest.
Do your thing at Wal-Mart, The Truckers Disney World,
or where ever... and get back in the seat and do it all over again.
Keep your log fairly up to date, work it properly, and there will be no problems.
Tips that I've found that have seemed to help:
Keep a somewhat clean rig.
Keep a neat appearence around the cab and make the truck look somewhat neat from outside the windshield and passenger window.
That will help when you roll thru scales.
Make sure you do a good inspection atleast once a day.
That's my 2 cents.
BigBob
Simply because I've found:
I get more rest driving a truck.
I Don't have to cheat nearly as much driving a truck as I do driving a tour bus... Yes, driving a tour bus (if it's not a private coach) we do have to log. And we log on the old 10 hour rule.
Soooo, I'm hauling band around the country in a private coach, I don't have to log - unless the coach has DOT numbers on it.
I'm hauling people in a pass. coach for a charter bus co. I have to log. I have to get 8 hours of rest after my 10 hours of driving... which when I'm runnin' good, 8 hours is actually more like 4 to 6 hours of actual sleep.
I'm hauling 2 pallets in a straight truck for an expediting co., or 15 pallets in an 18 wheeler then I have to get 10 hours of rest.... and I usually do get atleast 6 to 8 hours of actual sleep - yes, even after showers, meals, and fueling.
The HOS comes down to time management, and so many make it much harder than it really is.
The law is simple, it says you have to show 10 hours of sleeping in a 24 hour period... either a solid 10 in sleeper, or 8 and 2 in it.
How hard is that to figure out? You have to show it... meaning your log book has to read that you, the driver, has slept.
I'm goin' back to truckin' for another reason...
I'm tired of starving because the economy is so outa wack.
I'm not relying on people anymore... On a lighter note, I'm relying on what people "need" from now on... and that is "Truck Freight".
The HOS are simple though, Drive for a bit, get your rest.
Do your thing at Wal-Mart, The Truckers Disney World,
or where ever... and get back in the seat and do it all over again.
Keep your log fairly up to date, work it properly, and there will be no problems.
Tips that I've found that have seemed to help:
Keep a somewhat clean rig.
Keep a neat appearence around the cab and make the truck look somewhat neat from outside the windshield and passenger window.
That will help when you roll thru scales.
Make sure you do a good inspection atleast once a day.
That's my 2 cents.
BigBob
kempers_gramp
Expert Expediter
From what I have read I don't feel that your questions have been completely answered. Hopefully this helps. Just click on the link below, scroll down to the Summary of the NEW Hours of service regulations, and read it over and over.
http://www.fmcsa.dot.gov/rules-regulations/topics/hos/hos-2005.htm
There is also a link there to consult the drivers brochure for a more complete explanation of the HOS rules.
If you are still confused or have any questions, please send me a e-mail and I will try to help.
KEMP.
http://www.fmcsa.dot.gov/rules-regulations/topics/hos/hos-2005.htm
There is also a link there to consult the drivers brochure for a more complete explanation of the HOS rules.
If you are still confused or have any questions, please send me a e-mail and I will try to help.
KEMP.