Climate Change Takes a Hit

[Turtle]

This article is a really good illuminator about what all Climate Change and Global Warning is all about. It's not about Climate Change or Global Warming, that's for certain. The article below is presented in it's entirety, with bold sections indicating what this is really all about, and has been from the beginning.

Climate talks end with deal that's 'not where we wanted to be' - World News

y NBC News staff and wire reportsDOHA, Qatar -- Almost 200 nations on Saturday extended until 2020 a weak international plan for fighting global warming, averting a new setback to two decades of U.N. efforts that have failed to halt rising greenhouse gas emissions.

The eight-year extension of the Kyoto Protocol keeps it alive as the sole legally binding plan for combating global warming. But it was sapped by the withdrawal of Russia, Japan and Canada, so its signatories now account for only 15 percent of global greenhouse emissions.

A package of decisions, known as the Doha Climate Gateway, would also postpone until 2013 a dispute over demands from developing nations for more cash to help them cope with global warming. {as if cash will keep an island above water}

All sides say the Doha decisions fell far short of recommendations by scientists for tougher action.

Though expectations were low for the two-week conference, many developing countries rejected the deal as insufficient to put the world on track to fight the rising temperatures that are raising sea levels. Some Pacific island nations see this as a threat to their existence.

"This is not where we wanted to be at the end of the meeting, I assure you," said Nauru Foreign Minister Kieren Keke, who leads an alliance of small island states. "It certainly isn't where we need to be in order to prevent islands from going under and other unimaginable impacts."

"It was not an easy ride. It was not a beautiful ride. It was not a fast ride, but we managed to cross the bridge and hopefully we can increase our speed," added European Climate Commissioner Connie Hedegaard.

She said the deal would pave the way to talks on a new, global U.N. pact meant be agreed in 2015 and enter into force in 2020, when Kyoto now expires. It will have emissions goals for all, including emerging nations led by China and India.
The 1997 Kyoto Protocol, which controls the greenhouse gas emissions of rich countries, expires this year. However, the second phase only covers about 15 percent of global emissions after Canada, Japan, New Zealand and Russia opted out.

Originally, Kyoto obliged about 35 industrialized nations to cut greenhouse gas emissions by an average of at least 5.2 percent below 1990 levels during the period from 2008 to 2012.

The U.S. never joined Kyoto, partly because it didn't include China and other fast-growing developing countries.

Poor countries came into the talks in Doha demanding a timetable on how rich countries would scale up climate change aid for them to $100 billion annually by 2020 — a general pledge that was made three years ago.

But rich nations -- including the United States, members of the European Union and Japan -- are still grappling with the effects of a financial crisis and were not interested in detailed talks on aid in Doha.

The agreement on financing made no reference to any mid-term financing targets, just a general pledge to "identify pathways for mobilizing the scaling up of climate finance."

The two-week U.N. meeting had been due to end on Friday but the talks went on into Saturday evening.

World carbon dioxide emissions are set to rise by 2.6 percent this year, and are more than 50 percent higher than in 1990. Recent growth has come mostly from emerging nations, led by China and India.

The Associated Press and Reuters contributed to this report.

The last paragraph in that piece is a purely misleading factoid that means essentially nothing. World carbon dioxide emissions were at all time highs in the 1950s and 1960s before environmental regulations scaled them back. The emissions in 1990 were a drop in the bucket, comparatively speaking. Since 1970 when CO[SUB]2[/SUB] emissions began dropping worldwide, the lowest carbon dioxide emissions worldwide was in 1990 when the effects of new carbon scrubbers and other emissions control devices were implemented on a wide scale basis throughout the world in manufacturing, and in new automobiles. But China and India (and Brazil) largely don't use any of the established emission control devices, so it's natural that emission are up. They may very well be up, and they may very well be up as much at 50% over 1990's numbers, but they're still well below what they were in the 1970 when acid rain was all the rage. But they don't want to point that one out.

 

[paullud]

I didn't realize Global Climate Change was so easily solved, we just have to give away money.

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[layoutshooter]

The entire farce about "global warming" or "climate change" is about moving money from the US and other countries and giving it to others.

The earth's climate is ALWAYS changing. It is nothing new. We have seen it time and time again.

I got a real kick out of a recent article about the "record low" water levels on the Great Lakes. It was just sad how wrong it was. We are STILL above the water levels of the '60's. We are WAY above the levels of the early 1800's. It is all a joke and SOOOOO many fall for it all.

 

[moose]

Dern!, our tax money won't finance Bio-mechanic DPF's up the central African mountain goats a$$ after all...

 

[hossman2011]

AHHH and soon for everyones entertainment and enjoyment will be the Obama carbon tax !!!

 

[davekc]

AHHH and soon for everyones entertainment and enjoyment will be the Obama carbon tax !!!

Well of course. One of the biggest investors is Al Gore.

 

[layoutshooter]

Well of course. One of the biggest investors is Al Gore.

No corruption there!

 

[OntarioVanMan]

The entire farce about "global warming" or "climate change" is about moving money from the US and other countries and giving it to others.

The earth's climate is ALWAYS changing. It is nothing new. We have seen it time and time again.

I got a real kick out of a recent article about the "record low" water levels on the Great Lakes. It was just sad how wrong it was. We are STILL above the water levels of the '60's. We are WAY above the levels of the early 1800's. It is all a joke and SOOOOO many fall for it all.

Ocean water levels are UP....how in the heck can the great lakes levels be down?.....they are connected?....LOL...the problem I see is the salt water will back up the rivers and there will be problems for towns who take that water to drink from.

http://tidesandcurrents.noaa.gov/sltrends/sltrends.shtml

 

[layoutshooter]

Ocean water levels are UP....how in the heck can the great lakes levels be down?.....they are connected?....LOL...the problem I see is the salt water will back up the rivers and there will be problems for towns who take that water to drink from

IF the ocean levels are up. Can't trust the governments. NO, salt water cannot back up into the Great Lakes, unless something REALLY weird happens.

The Great Lakes have high and low cycles. The last high cycle was MUCH higher than normal. The low cycles have been higher than many in the past. There is STILL water covering an old house foundation near where I hunt. That house was still lived in as late as 1950 when water levels started getting higher than long term norms. It was really low during the War of 1812. A road was built across dry ground in a part of Brest Bay that has remained under 3 feet of water even during the last low cycle.

The problem with the lies is that they forgot that there still many alive who have seen the reality and KNOW better.

 

[muttly]

AHHH and soon for everyones entertainment and enjoyment will be the Obama carbon tax !!!

Can't wait! The Obama carbon tax, the Obamacare tax, and the Obama vat tax, can't wait.

 

[Moot]

Ocean water levels are UP....how in the heck can the great lakes levels be down?.....they are connected?

Yes the Great Lakes are connected to the Atlantic Ocean but the ocean level would have to rise quite high to back wash into the Great Lakes. Lake Superior, being the highest at about 600' and Lake Ontario Van Man being the lowest at about 245' above sea level. There is of course the St. Lawrence McCord Seaway connecting the Atlantic Ocean to the Great Lakes. I not sure what the elevation of that is, but even a few feet above sea level would mean an awful lot of water would have to find its way into the Atlantic Ocean just to reach Lake Ontario Van Man. You should be safe in Bison! It would take a 600' rise in the Atlantic to flood Lake Superior.

If ocean levels are actually on the rise, and I lived in the Netherlands, I'd wear wooden shoes also and probably a trendy PFD.

Minnesota is the only state that drains into 3 of the 4 major watersheds. Northwestern Minnesota drains into the Hudson Bay via the Red River and other minor rivers. Northeastern Minnesota drains into the St. Lawrence McCord Seaway/Atlantic Ocean via Lake Superior and the rest of Minnesota drains into the Gulf of Mexico via the Mississippi River.

 

[layoutshooter]

The St. Lawrence River (Straights of St. Lawrence) is 744 miles long. It drops approx 245 feet from where it leaves Lake Ontario. It does not encounter any saltwater until at least Montreal. Much of what life is like on earth today would cease to exist if an event was able to push salt water up to the fresh water areas.

 

[muttly]

The St. Lawrence River (Straights of St. Lawrence) is 744 miles long. It drops approx 245 feet from where it leaves Lake Ontario. It does not encounter any saltwater until at least Montreal. Much of what life is like on earth today would cease to exist if an event was able to push salt water up to the fresh water areas.

Which is another reason why we have to give away lots of our money to these other countries for this global warming thing. We have to nip this climate change stuff in the bud before this salt water creates havoc.

 

[layoutshooter]

Which is another reason why we have to give away lots of our money to these other countries for this global warming thing. We have to nip this climate change stuff in the bud before this salt water creates havoc.

I can't even picture the event that would put enough tilt on the continental shelf that would force salt water up to Lake Ontario. Just think, 245' and 744 miles.

 

[Moot]

They may very well be up, and they may very well be up as much at 50% over 1990's numbers, but they're still well below what they were in the 1970 when acid rain was all the rage.

Wow, I forgot all about acid rain, kinda disappeared about the same time bell-bottoms were no longer in vogue. Take it away Jimi:

Acid rain etchin' my brain
lately my car paint don't seem the same
lookin' a little funny but I don't know why
'scuse me while I diss the sky.

Acid rain all around,
defoliating the trees in the town.

Am I happy or a deformity?
Whatever it is, that acid took the skin off me.

Acid rain all in my eyes,
don't know if it's astringent or lye,
it's got me burning, burning my mind
is it Al Gore or just another's dime?

Help me! Help me...

 

[Ragman]

Wow, I forgot all about acid rain, kinda disappeared about the same time bell-bottoms were no longer in vogue. Take it away Jimi:

Acid rain etchin' my brain
lately my car paint don't seem the same
lookin' a little funny but I don't know why
'scuse me while I diss the sky.

Acid rain all around,
defoliating the trees in the town.

Am I happy or a deformity?
Whatever it is, that acid took the skin off me.

Acid rain all in my eyes,
don't know if it's astringent or lye,
it's got me burning, burning my mind
is it Al Gore or just the end of time?

Help me! Help me...

Will somebody PLEASE get moot some help!