Chysler closing down

mjolnir131

Veteran Expediter
" Operations at the 30 plants will be idled at the end of shift on Friday, Dec. 19, and will not come back online until Jan. 19, 2009, or later. " - from the article

you know allot of times when they say "or later" they mean never it's over send in the coroner
 

LDB

Veteran Expediter
Retired Expediter
It's a one month closing starting at end of business this Friday. They're going to have to get control of costs to survive. The largest by far is labor cost. They've got to either put the UAW out on the street and start with new hires or get the UAW to work for reasonable wages.
 

warlordblee

Seasoned Expediter
Union haters, one thing for you people to remember. How many parts suppliers will be shut down for this month, how many people related to the part supllier will be shut down. The Union haters on this board have no idea the ramification these shutdowns will have on this country.
 

OntarioVanMan

Retired Expediter
Owner/Operator
Union haters, one thing for you people to remember. How many parts suppliers will be shut down for this month, how many people related to the part supllier will be shut down. The Union haters on this board have no idea the ramification these shutdowns will have on this country.

I for one am not a union hater....just don't agree the direction they've chosen to go....unions have gone too far and should not be in a companys business and be able to direct to companys business decisions....and the companys are to blame for letting them control them.
 

LDB

Veteran Expediter
Retired Expediter
I don't hate the unions. I just have enough brains to see it's grown from what it should be into a monster that's consuming far more than it's share. The union has gone from a fairness group insuring safe and reasonable working conditions at a fair wage to a group mandating ridiculous divisions of labor at wages so high they guarantee the eventual failure of the company. No, it isn't about hating unions, it's about recognizing how far they've gone beyond reason and the dire consequences if they aren't reined in.
 

chefdennis

Veteran Expediter
Union hater!?!? Hmmm, Union pay checks paid for my upbrings. My dad was a teamster union stewart for a trucking company and later business agent for many yrs. I have been a union member, i know the good and the bad, as alot here do.

Just because we choose not to be blind to the bad and the abuses by the unions does not mean we hate unions.

As Leo said, they have gone beyond their fair plan and the management side as let them, so yes bith are at fault. Its now time for fix it, with the unions or without them...
 

Twizted1

Seasoned Expediter
I have a relative who works at a final assembly plant in warren,Mi.He told me things are so bad ,that they are scavenging parts form one vehicle and assembling them on another, that was sold or special ordered. instead of getting new parts.Wouldnt that be considered using used parts?It was on a new vehicle but was installed and reinstalled.Im not buying any new vehicles from 08 forward till this mess is over!!!!
 

mjolnir131

Veteran Expediter
no I'm not a union hater i realize the things they did in the past to help,and it kinda scares me then have placed themselves in a position of dissevered hatred.because the unions have not been for the little guy since IH went under whats that been almost 30 years now.

I'll give you a personal example,yes it's from management side but i was always a different type of manager,the kind that ends up with extremely loyal employees.

So it's my first executive chef gig after been an executive sous for years. the first thing i did was raise the dishwashers pay to the highest in the area and started cutting the chaff hard.now you can ask why i would do that but i always understood it starts in the dish room and ends there.and felt that is where most eating Establishments are made and broke,

this operation was in fact part of a hotel ,now i watched these guys i was paying pretty well still struggle to make ends meet but i was paying then all i had.then one day a union rep showed up and after a few months of talks the hotel went union ,then those poor dishwashers budget really started to suffer after dues and such there take home had dropped almost 25% about a year of that the hotel was sold closed and reopened over night so no more union and those workers had been left out in the cold with nothing. after the union came in it was very hard to get rid of the chaff and i could not reward the performers

so yes i do hate what unions have evolved into, another level of management that screws over the little guy
 

Bruno

Veteran Expediter
Fleet Owner
US Marines
Well, Unions are not about a fair wage they are about as much money as they can get. Look what the union's did in Akron, Ohio in the 80's. Akron lost over 120,000 jobs from the rubber companies leaving Akron because of the union. The unions was put in place to help the working man get a fair wage. $22.00 to drive a tow motor is a little over board. Truck drivers at some companies don't make that much. Sometimes you can price yourself out of business, and that is what is going on.
 

poodlenme

Expert Expediter
Yes, I understand where both sides are coming from. My dad was 100% union back in the day. Back then unions saved peoples jobs and helped people maintain a fair wage. Without them wages would have remained low. But, over the years the union has become unfair to the manufacturers. Competition is tough with the imports selling more cars than anyone. The union has gotten crazy contracts, giving too much money per hour and too many over the top benefits.. They thought, I guess the manufacturer had unlimited funds and they could always ask for more and more.

The unions are just one reason the the American car industry is in the crapper. Companies also allow the white collar workers too many bonuses and private jets. Even while they were going under. Paying a layed off worker up to 99% of their wages is crazy. The employees are just used to living large and getting all these wages and benefits.. but now the axe has fallen on the big and small. The employee and the employer. I have my doubts if the union will agree to lower the wages and benefits of their members. It goes against all they have fought for all these years. But, times have changed and the only way the American car industry can survive is to cut wages, built competitive cars that people want instead of dinasaurs. Most employees anywhere else would be happy to have insurance, a 401k that is solvent and vacation benefits. They are spoiled and will have to live with less along with the big wigs at Gm, Chrysler, etc. It would be crazy for the union not to allow cuts. Less money is always better than no job at all. And there is no other place for these employees to go. They are going to have to settle for less or lose everything.

Employees at Honda, Toyota and other foreign plants that build here are doing fine, and are not in iminent danger of losing their jobs. They get paid less, but still have above avg earnings and are treated fairly. Unions have become monsters that have just fueled inflation and the recession and aided in the fall of the economy as we know it.

I do not hate unions, as I was a member in the midwest when I was a young adult. They had their place back then. And to be honest, wages here in this part of Texas are much less than the national average because there are very few unions and the ones that are here are mostly ineffective. But, on the other hand the unemployment rate here is lower and prices are less too.

This global problem of inflation and recession has been coming for years.. There is no one person or company to blame. Like my mom and dad always told me, "What comes up, must come down."
Now, God willing in time the economy will settle down to a more reasonable place and jobs and markets will return. At the very least it will be painful for many and will affect every one.

My parents survived the great depression and we can survive this second "great depression." Its been coming for a long, long time.

My advice, go home and enjoy your family this holiday season and feel blessed you have your family and friends. Be thankful for all you have and have faith that things will get better. And if we all work together...it will get better!

Merry Christmas to all and be safe on the roads! God Bless!
 

highway star

Veteran Expediter
Owner/Operator
Bravo LDB and OVM. Unions are obsolete. It really is just that simple. When a labor union can have even a small iota of input on the decision to close plants, that's just so very, very wrong. Yes, they've saved peoples jobs. People that were drunk and/or stoned on the job. People that were chronic attendance problems. People that didn't have enough pride in their work to do simple tasks in a consistant, competent manner. These people should be booted out the door. Period. The unions do have way too much power.
 

iceroadtrucker

Veteran Expediter
Driver
Unions Obsolite???

Maybe your right.

Maybe Expedite is becoming obsolite as well , Because so many new Companies are getting into it.

Freight is getting cheaper and cheaper.

Wont be long and we too will see freight at a buck a mile for a tractor trailer.

Barely can make it on a buck fifty a mile, with no tolls.



sigh.....
 
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Scott101

Seasoned Expediter
Union haters, one thing for you people to remember. How many parts suppliers will be shut down for this month, how many people related to the part supllier will be shut down. The Union haters on this board have no idea the ramification these shutdowns will have on this country.

I have an idea... How about the union workers agree to wage adjustments to put their pay in line with the suppliers' wages until the big3 get back on track? The big3 bowed to union bullying for decades and look where it got them. Now tax payers should step in and continue the insanity?

I am all for people making as much money as they can. But if the business model doesn't support the wages then you can't continue to pay it. Too bad bolting bumpers to cars doesn't support $70+ an hour in wages and benny's, but apparently it doesn't. So something has to change.

If anyone should be making $70 an hour it should be OTR Truckers. But most trucking business models don't support those kind of wages so it isn't so.
 
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mjolnir131

Veteran Expediter
the POTUS just anounced a $17.4 BILLION ,cant even comprehend that number i run out of toes, not sure which gets what yet and how much it will really help
 
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