Choosing the most versatile vehicle?

TNDriver2

Seasoned Expediter
I have decided to take a day off and attend the seminar in Knoxville later this week and that should get me started in the correct direction. As I investigate, its very hard to evaluate these companies, as some pay lower rates, but then cover other expenses or pay high rates but no dead miles for the set up........does anyone know of a spread sheet program to help evaluate all of these companies?

My main question is about a vehicle, I wont buy a vehicle until i pick a company to go with......so what is the most versatile vehicle & specs? I see so many ultra shifts and although they are nice in traffic, there are troublesome and very expensive to repair as the miles pile on. Any idea why this industry seems to spec so many "Expediter Trucks" with autos?

Just trying to get a handle on what I should start looking for as I explore this industry.
 

greg334

Veteran Expediter
You should first figure out what you need - what goals you have, where you need the money to go (bills, retirement, debt) and then look at what will fit your lifestyle and experience (van or truck).

Once that is done, I would decide on the vehicle than I would decide on the company that will fit your goals, needs and desires.

There is no comparison sheet out there, I have one started but stopped dealing with idiot recruiters after a while. The best thing to do is to think about filling your needs, not a company's needs and go from there.
 

TNDriver2

Seasoned Expediter
Thank you Greg,

Being a current business owner, I have some very clear cut goals and know what I need to acomplish my long term and short goals.

There is just so much conflicting information, both from the companies and people with knowledge like yourself on this forum.

I have firmly decided to go the S/T route, with a large box and loading dock height, supports, tags, etc. I'm just looking to find out what brand, engine spec, rear end, seems to fair best. I guess I just want to make sure what I purchase is something that is generaly accepted by most companies, so I dont have to pay some stupid tax and have to trade a vehicle, if I find a need to change companies, because I bought some odd ball set up.

I would perfer a manual transmission, but I'm finding that difficult to come by in these trucks set up for this industry. I can only assume that maybe its because so many husband wife teams and people with limited large vehicle experience may enter this industry? I worked for a companie that had 50/50 autos and manuals, and the autos were always giving issues and often very expensive, time consuming repairs.
 
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pjjjjj

Veteran Expediter
You are headed in the right direction in getting your info from different carriers, and comparing their packages. There is no existing spreadsheet (that I am aware of), but there is no reason why you can't create your own, and plug in some hypothetical load details to see how each works out in the wash.

You may end up being somewhat surprised at how similar they end up, even though the separate little parts may be different.

The thing is, there are way too many other things involved to get a 'real' picture, so in the end, your spreadsheet isn't going to be all that meaningful. Carriers operate in different ways, and like has been stated many times, you need to find one which fits you the best, whose zits you can live with, and learn to work within their operating practices to your own advantage. That is the part that may take some real experience.

As has also been stated many times, a great way to find information is looking through the archives and doing some serious reading. People don't just blurt out info about their carriers and their corresponding picadillos, but you will gain some valuable insight if you take the time to really look over a long period of enlightening and entertaining posts. And talk to OOs/drivers of the carriers you're narrowing it down to... talk to many, take each one for what it's worth, and decide for yourself.

Be extremely aware of the language spoken by a recruiter. I don't mean English or Spanish, I mean apples and oranges. I have a story about a recruiter who insisted that his OOs got 62% of the load, and 100% of the FSC... but once into the nitty gritty numbers, he actually meant that the OOs get 100% of their 62% of the FSC. Be sure to ask... 62% of what exactly, and 100% of what exactly, .. ask him to show you how that would work out in real life numbers.

And then there are alllllllll the things you can only know by finding out for yourself.. little things that can add up to the detriment of your bottom line. Ask to see real-life settlement sheets (with names and truck numbers blocked out), ask to see stats of one truck over a long period (not just the 2 month roll the one driver happened to be on, which the recruiter will have handily available for your perusal).

When you see actual settlements, they may state what the deadhead was, and/or show it as a percentage. After reading other posts you will see that these numbers will not include the miles travelled after POD, so it may look good on paper, but that paper may be missing a whole lot of DH miles which need to be considered in your business.

I don't agree with buying whichever truck you want and then hoping for the best in finding a carrier to utilize it to its full potential. Ain't gonna happen. Get a truck that many carriers have a use for, so you're not beholden to one carrier. Don't find out after the fact that it was a regrettable purchase resulting in limited options for you.

That is a very interesting question about why so many expediter trucks are automatic. I believe it speaks to the ease with which inexperienced people can get into this business, and drivers into fleet owners' seats. That is something you do have control over, and if you feel you could save R&M money and downtime by having a manual/standard, that's what you should own.

I often read a sense of urgency from newbies to get into this game (not referring to the OP). They will say things like, 'I've got to get started because I need the money'. Newbies need the money all right, but they need it in their own bank account before they start out. The more resources (knowledge and money) one has before starting out, the more content and satisfied one will be with their own decisions and their own ability to direct their success. Many recommend starting out as a driver for an owner - it's a great way to see and learn from the inside without a great deal of personal financial risk.

Sorry this is so long :eek:
 

TNDriver2

Seasoned Expediter
Pjjjj,

Thank you for your thoughts. I dont mean to be so down on autos, they were great in traffic as a company driver.....but as owner they are expensive to repair and dont believe the balony about better fuel mileage, as they wind and lug not unlike the worse new student driver. I often think Eaton set the computer shifting profile up, using data from a student driver hauling an empty trailer......well enough on that.

I see that most of these companies that build these specialized trucks for an expediters, are very simular. I would like to see more Petes and KW's, as their interiors seem to be a little nicer and they seem a bit smoother going down the road.

I also have no idea why these companies withhold any of the fuel surcharge, as they are not buying the fuel or paying the tax.
 
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ATeam

Senior Member
Retired Expediter
Any idea why this industry seems to spec so many "Expediter Trucks" with autos?

Expediters specify automatic (autoshift) transmissions to keep their hands free for eating, drinking, cell phone talking and texting (joke).

Seriously, I can't speak for the entire industry but Diane and I spec'ed an autoshift transmission because we thought it would be easier to drive than a manual. Purchase price wise, I don't know what the difference was over a manual. We did not check because we did not want a manual.

Maintenance wise, the transmission (Arvin Meritor Freedom Line 12 speed) has been trouble free. Other than scheduled maintenance, we have not had to do anything to it. It has operated flawlessly for over 500,000 miles.

I should say almost flawlessly. Every once in a great while the truck will throw one or more codes that seem to confuse the transmission. It might be a "communications error" or other such thing that never traces to anything specific. The fix is easy, just clear the codes, a job we do oursleves in a few seconds.

Volvo has replaced the Freedomline with a transmission that it now makes itself, the Volvo I-Shift. Transmissions have improved over the years and the I-Shift gets rave reviews from drivers I have talked to who have it.
 
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TNDriver2

Seasoned Expediter
Hi Phil,

Yes, I have a friend that drives for Averett and he tells me the I-shift is a big improvement over the ultra-shift. I think part of the of the issue is that weight that we would haul, often grossing right at 80,OOO lbs (paper & water loads) snaking our way through Chattanooga up Mount Eagle and down through the Gorge in NC. Once we got out of those areas on flat ground, the trannies would be all messed up....hunting and pecking at the gears.

I think in a Freightliner the cost differential used to be about $6000 between a straight 10 speed vs a 10 speed ultrashift. Properly shifted a manual trans can save money on fuel......but many drivers just have never been trained properly how to shift it. At one point many of the big fleets were heading to autos, but I think they are now going back maunual, with the exception of the training companies and those trying to attract husband and wife teams.

P.S. I too was born in a small town in WI.....very small
 
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bluejaybee

Veteran Expediter
Spec'ing a trucks drive train will be for your beliefs and comforts. If you can shift a manual (which you should be able to with your past experience) then go for it. And you should also have first hand knowledge of what engines are best. Of course, we all have different opinions of that. But to get down to the nitty gritty, you will have to decide what size box, liftgate or not, barn doors or roll up, single axle or tandem, and other things. There are many posts on here about Class 7 vs Class 8. I have first hand knowledge of a class 7 Pete and it is cramped in the cab area. So a class 7 KW would be the same. You might could live with it, but it is tight for me. Now, I had a Sterling that was spacious compared to the Pete. Use your past experience in chosing your truck. If driving comfort was important to you then, it will be the same here. You just need to decide what extras you need to make yourself more competetive. There are posts here about 22 foot vs 24 foot boxes. And some even smaller. Of course, the age of the truck will be considered by most companies also. Most all of them say 10 years old or less. They will make exceptions (sometimes) if proven road worthy. Fuel economy is a must. If you been driving a T/T that got 5 or 6 MPG, that won't work out here. I think with your prior experience. you can figure it out. At least you are on the right trail trying to ask before taking the plunge.
 
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