Car Company Gets U.S. Loan, Builds Cars In Finland
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I gonna order 2 and be neighborly. I have been in conversation with Polousey and Tweed and they deemed and passed on the Finny electric car.
chefdennis
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Other then political pressure on the DOE (which is denied) and the fact that they people have no experience in mass production of any auto let alone an electric car and the fact that the market isn't really there for these electric cars (volt, leaf,etc) I really don't see anything shady...just pizz poor risk management and oversite and probably bad loan making decisions and making them because of barrys need to force the "green" issue...ahh i don't see anything shady...
Oh, and i forgot with "Joe's" backing and bragging ...well...
Oh, and i forgot with "Joe's" backing and bragging ...well...
greg334
Veteran Expediter
Well there is a lot more to this story and it seems that it would have happened with a conservative president or a liberal one either way because we have the Department of Energy that has actually does nothing for the country but create jobs for those who normally would have worked at McDonalds flipping hamburgers.
I don't know if any of you know much about the car, it is not an electric but a hybrid, they call it an electric car for the same reason they call the Volt and electric car - because it sounds better. No one minds that GM has claimed to be on the cutting edge of electric car development but than again no one gets that the volt's only two buyers are GE (who provides some sort motors or something for other GM products) and the US government. Its funny when you think about it, a lot of garage mechanics have made bigger strides in electric car transportation using off the shelf components than GM, Fisker and Tesla combined has done with US taxpayer money.
Anywho the Great Fisker gets an overall 32 mpg (a claim that it gets 99 MPGe which is not true if you factor in the actual cost), has little more in luxury than a Audi and it sells for $92 to 98k each. You could get a Nissan Leaf (which didn't take money from the taxpayers to develop) and get better return on your electric investment or a tesla which give you a faster car but overall sticking with a 1984 VW diesel rabbit may be the best environmental and financial decision you could ever make
I don't know if any of you know much about the car, it is not an electric but a hybrid, they call it an electric car for the same reason they call the Volt and electric car - because it sounds better. No one minds that GM has claimed to be on the cutting edge of electric car development but than again no one gets that the volt's only two buyers are GE (who provides some sort motors or something for other GM products) and the US government. Its funny when you think about it, a lot of garage mechanics have made bigger strides in electric car transportation using off the shelf components than GM, Fisker and Tesla combined has done with US taxpayer money.
Anywho the Great Fisker gets an overall 32 mpg (a claim that it gets 99 MPGe which is not true if you factor in the actual cost), has little more in luxury than a Audi and it sells for $92 to 98k each. You could get a Nissan Leaf (which didn't take money from the taxpayers to develop) and get better return on your electric investment or a tesla which give you a faster car but overall sticking with a 1984 VW diesel rabbit may be the best environmental and financial decision you could ever make
In years to come the combustion engine will be the way of the steam engine...in a museum....WE/Our generation might not want electric/hydrogen but it WILL come......the combustion engine is done for....IMO
MAYBE in our lifetime, but not for many of us. Electric is a waste. We cannot produce enough electricity now, how in the world are we going to power cars as well? They are decades away from a battery that can travel 500 miles, towing a boat, then recharge in 5-10 minutes. Believe me, if that was available it would be on the market. Hydrogen is more doable. I was unloaded by a hydrogen powered fork lift on Thursday. It seemed to work, noisy, in a goofy sort of way. No ugly smells. Don't know much about it, run times, refueling etc.
The internal combustion engine will go away, later than sooner. FAR too many things running on them and the means to change do not yet exist.
I don't know...why do so many electric producers have so many reactors shutdown?....Northern Quebec has like a million megawatts and it is in mothballs?....There is tons of electricity....just an inadequate delivery system...
We have many shortages in this country. I have NO idea what Canada has.
The batteries do not exist. No matter what, electric cars cause just as much environmental damage as an internal combustion engine. All they do is change the location and/or type of damage. Nothing is free, never has been, never will be.
Pure electric cars may never be used in more than limited areas. Like in big cities where there is no where to go and range is not important. Things are changing. The problem is that far too many people think that invention and innovation are nothing more that 5 minute sound bits. Another problem is that government is involved. NOTHING hurts innovation more than government assistance.
clcooper
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Canada sells a lot of its power to the U.S.....they could produce double easily with a flip of the switch...saying a shortage of electricity is like saying we have a shortage of oil here.....it is all in supply and demand....refineries not running at 100%...why? to keep an artificial shortage to keep the price up and maintain profits....electricity same line of thought...
There still is no battery that can even come close to doing the job.
Most of our shortages here are caused by congress and the EPA.
greg334
Veteran Expediter
Steam engines are still being used.
I had in mind locomotives...and why don't we have electric trains high tech like Europe and Asia?....
Besides a subway system.....
OK, let's see if I get this straight. We replaced horses and wagons with cars, that got rid of the droppings which horses are noted for leaving all over the place. Our cities became cleaner. Now, we want to replace the internal combustion engine with electrics, and our air should become somewhat cleaner since we won't burn gasoline anymore.
Question: What do we do with all those batteries? They give out after a while, and every last one of them have some kind of heavy metal which is something less than wonderful for the environment. Not to mention short range, long recharge times and less than desirable operating characteristics in cold climates.
Question: What do we do with all those batteries? They give out after a while, and every last one of them have some kind of heavy metal which is something less than wonderful for the environment. Not to mention short range, long recharge times and less than desirable operating characteristics in cold climates.
moose
Veteran Expediter
May i take this one ?, Thanks.
i did many of those loads.
used battery's from Ft. Wayne to Egan .
The trailer is checked for air leaks, floor loaded, then sealed.
the load is not HM.
the recycling factory in Egan,M.N is in the middle of a community, and when you back into the hole, the workers open the trailer doors for you, grab the freight and you leave.
it's a hell room to work in, and all the workers have oxygen suits.
there's a large hydraulic press where the battery's ends their life.
the byproduct is
liquid HM tank, that goe's to another industry as a raw material.
and large cubic plastics that goes to a fiberglass manufacturing in S.Bend, I.N,
(nice round trip).
greg334
Veteran Expediter
Actually there is but it is too heavy to use.
IF it is too heavy it is no good. A USABLE battery would be LIGHT, HIGH capacity, work at both warm AND cold temps, AND, recharge as fast as we can refuel a truck or car now. Anything less, is well, less!