can there ever really be security after this

Jack_Berry

Moderator Emeritus
how can anything remain secure when there are a-holes like this guy out there? when does this kind of private research become a threat to national/global security?




A German computer scientist has published details of the secret code used to protect the conversations of more than 4bn mobile phone users.
Karsten Nohl, working with other experts, has spent the past five months cracking the algorithm used to encrypt calls using GSM technology.
GSM is the most popular standard for mobile networks around the world.
The work could allow anyone - including criminals - to eavesdrop on private phone conversations.
Mr Nohl told the Chaos Communication Congress in Berlin that the work showed that GSM security was "inadequate".
"We are trying to inform people about this widespread vulnerability," he told BBC News.
"We hope to create some additional pressure and demand from customers for better encryption."
The GSM Association (GSMA), which devised the algorithm and oversees development of the standard, said Mr Nohl's work would be "highly illegal" in the UK and many other countries.
"This isn't something that we take lightly at all," a spokeswoman said.
Mr Nohl told the BBC that he had consulted with lawyers before publication and believed the work was "legal".
'Secret key'
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GSM encryption was first introduced in 1987

Mr Nohl, working with a "few dozen" other people, claims to have published material that would crack the A5/1 algorithm, a 22-year-old code used by many carriers.
The code is designed to prevent phone calls from being intercepted by forcing mobile phones and base stations to rapidly change radio frequencies over a spectrum of 80 channels.
It is known to have a series of weaknesses with the first serious flaw exposed in 1994.
Mr Nohl, who describes himself as an "offensive security researcher", announced his intention to crack the code at the Hacking at Random (HAR) conference in The Netherlands in August this year.
"Any cryptographic function is a one way street," he told BBC News. "You should not be able to decrypt without the secret key".
To get around this problem, Mr Nohl, working with other members of the encryption community, used networks of computers to crunch through "every possible combination" of inputs and outputs for the encryption code. Mr Nohl said there were "trillions" of possibilities.
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It lowers the bar for people and organisations to crack GSM calls
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Ian Meakin
Cellcrypt

All of the outputs are now detailed in a vast table, which can be used to determine the encryption key used to secure the conversation or text message.
"It's like a telephone book - if someone tells you a name you can look up their number," he said.
Using the codebook, a "beefy gaming computer and $3,000 worth of radio equipment" would allow anyone to decrypt signals from the billions of GSM users around the world, he said.
Signals could be decrypted in "real time" with $30,000 worth of equipment, Mr Nohl added.
'Not practical'
It has previously been possible to decrypt GSM signals to listen in on conversations, but the equipment cost "hundreds of thousands of dollars," experts said.
According to Ian Meakin, of mobile encryption firm Cellcrypt, only government agencies and "well funded" criminals had access to the necessary technology.
He described Mr Nohl's work as a "massive worry".
"It lowers the bar for people and organisations to crack GSM calls," he told BBC News.
"It inadvertently puts these tools and techniques in the hands of criminals."
However, the GSMA dismissed the worries, saying that "reports of an imminent GSM eavesdropping capability" were "common".
It said that there had been "a number" of academic papers outlining how A5/1 could be compromised but "none to date have led to a practical attack".
The association said that it had already outlined a proposal to upgrade A5/1 to a new standard known as A5/3 which was currently being "phased in".
"All in all, we consider this research, which appears to be motivated in part by commercial considerations, to be a long way from being a practical attack on GSM," the spokeswoman said.
 

skyraider

Veteran Expediter
US Navy
Big Brother of 1984 is now watching u, o my, sounds like no privacy now,,like taking a shower and u dont have a shower curtain and your in ur front yard to boot,, now:eek: that should run your neighbors off.............lol,,,Maybe Mrs. Woods needs one, but its to late now, o well.
 

greg334

Veteran Expediter
#1 anyone who thinks a cell phone call is secure is not thinking.

#2 this has been cracked a long time ago.

#3 it is time to revise our way of thinking about privacy.

#4 I thought this was about the um ... terrorist attack and the fact that it was told to us yesterday that there are hardly any "Sky Marshals" on any domestic Delta/Northwest flights and forget about international flights - source DHS and our great news services.
 

layoutshooter

Veteran Expediter
Retired Expediter
"#4 I thought this was about the um ... terrorist attack and the fact that it was told to us yesterday that there are hardly any "Sky Marshals" on any domestic Delta/Northwest flights and forget about international flights - source DHS and our great news services."


Nothing like letting the enemy know what we are doing, eh? Maybe we should tell them what kind of chemical sniffers we have in place? Oh wait, our "free press" did that already. Why would a responsible free press ever broadcast weaknesses, blind spots or plans for stopping terror attacks to the enemy to make it easier for them to attack us?
 

greg334

Veteran Expediter
Well remember that we, the United State provides our poor with Phones as much as we provide seniors with Gym Memberships.
 

RLENT

Veteran Expediter
Nothing like letting the enemy know what we are doing, eh? Maybe we should tell them what kind of chemical sniffers we have in place? Oh wait, our "free press" did that already.
Yup - unfortunately, the guarantee is only for a free press, not a responsible one ....

Unfortunately, many are unaware of the fundamental premise that with freedom comes responsibility.

Why would a responsible free press ever broadcast weaknesses, blind spots or plans for stopping terror attacks to the enemy to make it easier for them to attack us?
A responsible one wouldn't .... :cool:
 

layoutshooter

Veteran Expediter
Retired Expediter
You are right, RLENT. Many in this Country do not seem to understand that with Every freedom comes a grave responsibility. I can remember being taught that in school. What an outmoded idea, acting in a responsible manner. How things have changed.
 
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