C.o.l.a

scotthos69

Seasoned Expediter
Anyone ever heard of that? It's called ,cost of living allowance! It's what many Teamster's enjoy every year! Also known as a raise. I don't care if your in a cargo van or a tractor, if the rate's don't go up, your wage's don't go up. Let's get real here, I get .70 cent's a mile in Oct. of 2007, and fuel has gone up 70 cent's in 5 month's, but the rate's are still .70 cent's a mile?


Why in the world would the freight rate stay the same when inflation goes up????????????

Little info here, the rate's have gone up, but the hard working blue collar man won't see it.

You can bet your sweet **s the company you WORK for will see the $$$! The reason I say work for is because, when you sign on they say your independent, but you're not .

You can't name your rate! So there is no independence!!!!!!!1


A special thank's to all the of the company's on this website who have put many people in financial stress and potentialy losing there home's or semi's just to keep the number's up!


There is no room for logic or common sense in the corporate world!
 

nightcreacher

Veteran Expediter
your fuel surcharge is to off set the higher fuel costs,and if its not working for you ,then your with the wrong company.As an independant contractor,your in a partnership with the company.If your company raises the rates, you get your share,but,if the other companies lower their rates,you end up making less,cause of lack of work.Trucking is like farming,you dont always get out what you put inl
 

greg334

Veteran Expediter
A special thank's to all the of the company's on this website who have put many people in financial stress and potentialy losing there home's or semi's just to keep the number's up!

Why say that?

Don't you know this business is easy to learn?

Don't you know that there are newbies who are being successful at this and having great numbers - as reported?

Seriously, I maybe really negative about things lately but the truth is, no one forced anyone to sign anything. It is up to the individual who wants to try this and if they fail, well I tried to warn you.

There is no room for logic or common sense in the corporate world!

This is the best comment I have seen all week long.
 

alborada

Seasoned Expediter
Some people now a BIG $$$$$$$$$$$$ from this this some stay in the 0 groud and waithing to go totaly undergraund . The trucking industry it is in bad situation now,,,,,,,,,,,, we all know this , but we have to do somthing to change this or we only have the topics in the forum and saty in the same . We need a ideas and good one to presen and do somthing and safe are self ........Common givws ideas not only compleine , I am sick and tired from compline my self and end of the the day the same circale all over and al over........... we need to do somthing and help each other and protect are self and the trucking bussnes............
 

CharlesD

Expert Expediter
The rates are going up, at least for the shippers. Some of the ones I talk to are saying that they're paying more to ship things now than they used to. And you know what? Unless you're dealing straight with a shipper, the carriers aren't even seeing those higher rates. The middle man (brokers) is pocketing the increase and not passing it along, except for the fuel surcharge which isn't as uniform as it should be. But when I talk to shippers who tell me that they're paying more, but the rate the carriers are getting from the brokers isn't more, you have to wonder. It all comes down to that surcharge. I just figure it into my rate when I bid on loads instead of calculating it separately, but that's just me.

And yes, you do have the ability to name your rate. If everyone refused to do cheap loads and just let the freight sit on the docks, the rates would have to come up, but there's always someone willing to run something for cheap. Heck, I've probably been guilty of taking a cheap one sometimes because it's getting me home. After the fact I felt kind of bad about it and anymore I think twice before I do it. The other day I just bit the bullet and deadheaded home rather than take some ridiculous rate some broker was offering. I know I can complain with the best of them about some of the things we see in this industry, but what I've been telling myself lately is that there are things you can control and things you can't. I can control my driving habits and the effect that has on my fuel mileage. I can control how much rest I get between loads and how safe I behave on the road. I can't control fuel prices or the fact that there are days I'm going to sit all day because the cheap people keep outbidding me on all the freight I see. Those things happen. I can control my attitude about it and I can control my other expenses. Getting mad might be justified, but I just figured that it wasn't really getting me anywhere.
 
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fastrod

Expert Expediter
If you lease on to a carrier you are not an indepentent contractor, you are a dependent contractor. And people leased to a carrier do not have the ability to raise there rates. The companys use acceptance rates as a way to get there cheap freight hauled. You have to haul it or your rate will drop and you will be fired. It sounds like you misplaced the rose colored glasses your carrier gave you when you signed on.
 
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greg334

Veteran Expediter
I don't agree, rates are contractual.

When you say dependent contractor you mean one who takes orders and can't refuse anything.
 

CharlesD

Expert Expediter
If you lease on to a carrier you are not an indepentent contractor, you are a dependent contractor. And people leased to a carrier do not have the ability to raise there rates. The companys use acceptance rates as a way to get there cheap freight hauled. You have to haul it or your rate will drop and you will be fired. It sounds like you misplaced the rose colored glasses your carrier gave you when you signed on.

For the record, I am independent. I turned in those glasses when I got my authority. In my case, I do set my rates by refusing to run anything that pays less than what I want. Even drivers leased onto a carrier could do that if enough of them did it and the carriers had trouble moving loads for the cheaper rate. The problem is that on some loads the carriers aren't really making much of a profit on a load because of how competitive things are right now. I have seen bids on bid boards as low as .80 a mile. If a carrier has to beat that just to get a load and then they turn around and pay their driver most of that, if not all, they're really not making much. The brokers are the ones making most of the profit off those kinds of loads, especially the ones that have a bid board and they can just sit back and watch the price go down and down as people start undercutting one another just to try to get what loads there are. It would really take a very large number of drivers to refuse to run for the low rates, but like I said, someone is always going to take it for that because there's always going to be the person who for whatever reason decides he can run for that. Whether it's someone with a paid off vehicle who doesn't need as much money, someone just trying to get home and just wanting fuel money, or someone who is afraid of his acceptance rate getting too low. Folks just don't know how much power they have.
 

Moot

Veteran Expediter
Owner/Operator
C.O.L.A. ...where you drink champagne and it tastes just like cherry-cola,C-o-l-a cola. Sounds like a line from a Kinks song or the Chuckster!

"Girls will be boys and boys will be girls
Its a mixed up muddled up shook up world except for lola
Lo-lo-lo-lo lola."
 

scotthos69

Seasoned Expediter
Trucking is like farming, you don't alway's get out what you put in! Then why do it?

I don't recall getting a check from the government for crop damage last year.

Has anyone received a check for lack of work?

The fuel surcharge is to offset the price of fuel. But, where's my raise? Fuel price's go up, surcharge goes up, fuel price's go down ,surcharge goes down, so I make the same!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Open your eye's!!!!!!!
 

Moot

Veteran Expediter
Owner/Operator
Has anyone received a check for lack of work?

Only your union buddies get paid for lack of work. Are you on an organizing mission? "Girls will be boys and boys will be girls
Its a mixed up muddled up shook up world except for lola
Lo-lo-lo-lo lola."
 

greg334

Veteran Expediter
Only your union buddies get paid for lack of work. Are you on an organizing mission? "Girls will be boys and boys will be girls
Its a mixed up muddled up shook up world except for lola
Lo-lo-lo-lo lola."

Actually Moot, there are a lot of auto related former employees getting checks from the state for not working.
 

dabluzman1

Veteran Expediter
Retired Expediter
Don't you know that there are newbies who are being successful at this and having great numbers - as reported?

Does it bother you that much Greg that a newbie is having success in these hard times.
Your own words "you are a five year newbie". Long time , time to graduate and move up
a notch dont ya think.
Does it bother you that someone who had zero knowledge of expediting is making a living and not falling into the hard dire times you love to talk about.
Curious is all.
Sorry an old man like me can change careers at the age of 55 and make a go of expediting.
A lot of people can and have made money in the past when times were good, in spite of themselves.
That doesnt mean they were running smart and efficient.
You dont have to have 25 years in expediting to begin to understand what is cost efficient
and what is not.
As I said in a previous post, this may be the future of expediting.
Adapt or be run over. It is the way business evolves it doesnt take prisoners.
So in that respect you are dead on, this biz as many others can eat you alive.
But, many will overcome the changes and adapt and go on.
Beginners luck? I dont leave the future of my wife and daughter to luck.
I understood the risk involved when we went into expediting, I did my homework and I
have a 35 year track record of success in prior business ventures.
I find expediting difficult to a degree, but nothing that middleaged couple cant overcome
and prosper doing.
I call myself a newbie out of respect to those who have put in the years and I believe in
a pecking order of sorts. But, my resume of work experience will stand up to anyones scrutiny.
I feel bad for those that are struggling and going out of business.
That has nothing to do with learning the biz.
And learning the biz doenst guarantee success.
But it sure would help.
 

davekc

Senior Moderator
Staff member
Fleet Owner
Even though your post isn't directed at me, I will say that I am thrilled that someone new has found a degree of success. It is that very reason that many of us participate in the forums at which we do. That includes truck shows, expos, and workshops.
But, for me personally, I look at total success as someone at a bare minimum that has weathered a significant slow period or has bought and sold a truck, took it to fruition at least once or twice.
But everyone has their personal definition.
Many years ago, we were reliant on a specific carrier and were doing great, and then the bottom fell out.
We were one of those "dependant operators" relying on the carrier. What a wake up call. They didn't give 2 s's.

Liken it to the entertainment/music industry. Many put out a successful first album/CD. That is much different than the ones that continue past the first and remain successful. Maybe one out of ten at best. That may or may not been where Greg was going? He can speak for himself.
 

dabluzman1

Veteran Expediter
Retired Expediter
"But, for me personally, I look at total success as someone at a bare minimum that has weathered a significant slow period or has bought and sold a truck, took it to fruition at least once or twice.
But everyone has their personal definition."

Hi Dave.
I think this is where many differ here on EO.
I can see where my views/statements may be offensive to some. Come off sounding brash.
For me personally, expediting is just a continuation of my business career.
Some responsibilities I've enjoyed include purchasing TT for our fleet on the west coast.
The warehousing group I headed was a 75 million gross sales operation. 150 employees, 65
TT, 15 straights. 2 warehouses totaling 500,000 sf, over 4000 line items and an operating budget of 4.5 mil.
The analytical thought process, the budget preparation, cost analysis, maintenance,
warehousing and management experience learned in this environment were easily transfered to this industry.
We all want our jobs to be unique so we have value. We protect our turf to validate who we are.
In my situation, I went to school years ago and all I am doing today is transferring my
experiences to expediting.
I do have a learning curve. Is it big, depends on your point of view.
 
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davekc

Senior Moderator
Staff member
Fleet Owner
It is too early too tell as you just started.. Your immediate success is determined in large part on your carriers performance in the market place.
As like anything else, time will tell on the rest.
We wish you well on your continued success.
 

dabluzman1

Veteran Expediter
Retired Expediter
I will agree time will tell.
We are in this as relatively short timers compared to most.
5 to 7 years and we toss the keys to dock worker on our last load.
But if in 3 to 5 years we get out of expediting what we want we will be done.
By the same token, if the economy dictates us walking away from expediting we will do that as well.
Greg is right, this is a business.
I didnt get into this business to fail or not be profitable. As I evaluate where we are, day by day, week by week, month by month and year to year, decisions on continuing or calling it
quits while we still have a shirt will be made.
So, one year of expediting down, 36 years of successful business operations to draw on.
 

greg334

Veteran Expediter
OK Dave hit it on the head;
“Liken it to the entertainment/music industry. Many put out a successful first album/CD. That is much different than the ones that continue past the first and remain successful. Maybe one out of ten at best.”

It is not about who is considered successful but more of the amount of failures that happen that worry me. I don’t like to see failure, I don’t like to see people put in so much effort and not getting anything out of it.

Don't you know that there are newbies who are being successful at this and having great numbers - as reported?


Yes I know there are, I talk to one almost every night that has had consistent $8K to $10K months in a sprinter. She seems to grasp the problems I talk about and meets them head on to solve them her way. She seems to think because she is doing well, there are 20 that are not. I can’t compare to her and her little sprinter, but to both of us, it was not about the numbers, it is about keeping a consistent cash flow and not having to be trapped if something goes wrong with a can do attitude is what I have been driving at. By the by, her definition of success is paying her sprinter off and having 2 full years of living expenses saved up, which she says it will take her 4 years to do.

Like Dave pointed out, many put out a successful album but after that, what?

I see a few who go from company to company and can not get anywhere. I know a few who have been with Panther or FedEx and do everything possible but they don’t get those great numbers and get discouraged because of what they read, ‘it is all about those numbers’. It is not what they do that sometimes determines their revenue generation but what the company does or does not do. We are not talking about sitting in BFE Iowa for three days waiting for a load but in a hot area where trucks are moving in and out of. The thought is that they are doing something wrong if they are not generating the revenue is not true, they lack the luck others have or the company is not offering them runs for some reason. This is why I say selecting a company that will fit you, not you fit the company.

Does it bother you that much Greg that a newbie is having success in these hard times.
Your own words "you are a five year newbie". Long time , time to graduate and move up
a notch dont ya think.

Honestly, nope I am not bothered by it, I celebrate the success you and a few others have but wish that success happens to all. But the reality is that you are somewhat insulated from the hard times by the fact you are driving for someone else, you lack that risk that the owner is taking and you can walk away if it doesn’t work out. That is great, really. Maybe the owner you are driving for has 10 trucks on with FedEx or just two, but they treat him differently than a single owner because they know he has a greater investment in seeing success for both himself and the company, I know this because I was a fleet owner and it was discussed.

Is it a bad thing for this insulation to be there? No but then again I also don’t believe that driving for someone else affords you the experience that you get by being an owner, which I know you do agree with.

Does it bother you that someone who had zero knowledge of expediting is making a living and not falling into the hard dire times you love to talk about.

Nope, not at all. I like to see things become easier, I would like to see things for all to go back to what I was told it was like but I don’t think it will.

But being blunt, what was mentioned in other threads is that many get into this employee mode or attitude and they don’t know what to do if something happens to their comfort zone, is something that I don’t see discussed too often. I would rather warn people, be a pessimist and let them read what I have to say or read what I say when I see something I don’t agree with than to have them just be steering wheel holders.

Make sense?

I do wish you luck and success but I also wish everyone else the same thing…. Why did you post here?
 

dabluzman1

Veteran Expediter
Retired Expediter
Hi Greg,
It sounds to me you feel there is isnt legitimacy or credibility to someone who doesnt own
his own truck or fleet when it comes to being experienced.
Is there a difference, other than investment, being a driver for an owner leased to a carrier
vs being an owner with his fleet leased to a carrier, other than the logistics of keeping drivers.
To me they are pretty much the same. Both dependent on the carrier.
Some are capable of being an independent businessman, others will fail miserably because they have the worker "mentality" and will never be or want to be the owner. And thats fine,
yet I still applaud those that try and fail in business for having the guts to try.
I wouldnt bore you with all the details that establish what success is for me. They may make sense to you may not. Its no matter, I believe as you, its a personal thing.

Oh, why did I post here?
Because I could.
 
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