Bust those CSA myths!

TeamCaffee

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J.J. Keller & Associates Inc.


Separating fact from fiction
Posted August 7, 2010
Myths, rumors, and half-truths are always in abundant supply when the Federal Motor Carrier Safety Administration (FMCSA) comes up with new rules, programs, or procedures, and that’s certainly the case with the new Comprehensive Safety Analysis (CSA) 2010 program.
Now known simply as “CSA,” the new enforcement initiative “grades” motor carriers and drivers on seven safety-related categories known as the BASICs and results in enforcement action against the worst safety performers.
As the program is slowly phased in, now is the time to make sure that drivers are aware of CSA, how it will affect them, and what they can do to make sure their grades are good. It’s also a perfect time to dispel some of the many myths that are spreading about CSA, so drivers can separate fact from fiction.
Use the following information as a starting point for a discussion about CSA and the “truth” about the program.

Myth: CSA is dead!

Fact: CSA is alive and kicking. Though the FMCSA temporarily delayed portions of the program into 2011 and is periodically “tweaking” it, implementation is moving forward. There has been no indication from the agency that the program will be further delayed or suspended. In fact, beginning August 16, 2010, the FMCSA says carriers will be able to see their BASIC scores, a major step in the implementation process.

Myth: If a driver is overweight (has a high Body Mass Index) or has a large neck size, he or she could fail the new CSA Driver Fitness Standards and be pulled from the road.

Fact: There are no new fitness standards under CSA. One of the seven categories on which carriers and drivers will be judged, the “Driver Fitness BASIC,” simply tracks compliance with existing driver qualification rules. Of course, the FMCSA could adopt new qualification rules at any time, but that usually involves a lengthy rulemaking process. This myth may have formed because neck size and BMI relate to a person’s propensity to develop sleep apnea, a condition whose safety effects are currently under review. This myth may also relate to the fact that roadside violations for the vehicle being overweight (usually reported as a violation of §392.2W), were included in early versions of the CSA scoring process for the Cargo-Related BASIC.

Myth: If I collect too many CSA “points,” my CDL could be suspended.

Fact: The new scoring system for CSA relies on a severity rating (or “points” system) for each safety violation, but that has nothing to do with your license. The CSA scoring system and the CDL licensing system are separate systems. No matter how many severity points you collect, that in itself will not affect your CDL. Conversely, no matter how many points you accrue on your license, that in itself will not affect your CSA scores.

Myth: A moving violation will only appear in the CSA scoring system if it results in a conviction.

Fact: If a moving violation is noted on a roadside inspection report, then it will be used in the scoring system regardless of whether a ticket was issued.

Myth: The CSA program will mean a bunch of new safety rules and paperwork requirements.

Fact: CSA is used to track and enforce compliance with the existing regulations. If the current regulations don’t require it, neither will CSA.

Myth: The FMCSA has dropped the idea of scoring drivers.

Fact: The CSA model indicates that drivers will be individually scored in the seven BASICs, based on the past 36 months of data, and may be subject to certain types of intervention from the FMCSA if their scores are bad enough. Driver scores will only be available to enforcement personnel, however, and driver interventions will only take place during a carrier audit.

Myth: We'll have a "fresh start" once CSA is turned on.

Fact: Once the CSA program is implemented, carriers and drivers will be scored based on data that is already on the books. Driver scores will be based on the past 36 months of data, and motor carrier scores will be based on the past 24 months of data.

Myth: All roadside tickets/warnings/convictions/violations of any kind will affect our CSA scores.

Fact: The CSA scoring system will use violations that are reported on roadside inspection reports by qualified officers. If it doesn't get reported into the FMCSA's data system (MCMIS) via a roadside inspection form, the violation will not affect your CSA scores.

Myth: Having access to CSA scoring information and the new Pre-employment Screening Program will mean that carriers will no longer have to get drivers' driving records or perform background checks.

Fact: The CSA program will not affect carriers' obligations under Part 391 for qualifying drivers. Motor carriers will still need to contact previous employers and obtain drivers' driving records.
 

Crazynuff

Veteran Expediter
Legal services are soliciting carriers telling them they should get drivers to join the service so tickets can be reduced and keep CSA 2010 points of the drivers' (and carriers' ) records . Some carriers are falling for this and pressuring their drivers , even making arrangements to have payments to legal services directly deducted from driver pay and o/o settlements .
Big scam . Fact is the points are assigned when the citation is written and decisions of traffic courts will not remove points . Courts will work with attorneys to reduce court backlogs . FMCSA has no such incentive . IMO they will discourage appeals and dismissals to avoid creating a backlog of appeals . Also the legal services have a network of attorneys in courts throughout the country . To my knowledge legal services have no attorneys working cases with the FMCSA .
 

greg334

Veteran Expediter
Well thanks for that, everyone should be getting kellers newsletters, right.

Fact is the points are assigned when the citation is written and decisions of traffic courts will not remove points .

Here is the issue I see, Keller is saying that the points are only entered into the system when a roadside takes place but after hearing two different FMCSA officials say on two different occasions that they will be applied when the violation citation, I don't want to take a chance to find out which is it. They further spelled out that it does not have to be a state DOT officer who issues tickets in the first place but anyone who is a LEO can issue a ticket for speeding or obvious equipment failure - i.e. headlight out - which is accounts for points on the CSA 2010 record.
 

TeamCaffee

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CSA.FMCSA FAQS

1. If my violation is thrown out in court, can I get it removed from my Safety Measurement System (SMS) record? How?
When a request for data review is made through the DataQs system and the request is granted, the organization makes the appropriate changes to the data. The record will be updated in the SMS during the next monthly run of the measurement system. However, users may only use the DataQs system to request a data review on data used by FMCSA. Reviews of data that are adjudicated in the State court systems do not automatically result in a change to FMCSA-released data. A carrier or driver must file a request for data review in the DataQs system in order to have a violation removed from the record.

2. Since warnings for speeding count in the Safety Measurement System (SMS), what can a carrier or driver do if they feel like they received an unwarranted speeding warning ticket?
Speeding violations documented on a roadside inspection report are used in the SMS. If a carrier or driver receives a warning for speeding documented on a roadside inspection that they feel is not warranted, they should use the DataQs process (https://dataqs.fmcsa.dot.gov) to request review of the data. It is important to understand that the State might give the driver a separate State violation, which can be appealed through the State court system. Since the roadside inspection data and the State violation data are separate, one would have to request review of each independently to have them both removed from one’s record.
 

greg334

Veteran Expediter
Read carefully.

The words requested and granted are two very important words, because there is a lack of a solid documented process for any corrections to be made - this is a serious flaw. The agency can refuse the request for a number of reasons and from what I understand does not have to justify their decisions. It is leaving no appeal path for either the driver or carrier to correct any discrepancies.

The other part of this seems to be that roadsides are not federal inspections but rather state level inspections. It seems that there is an assumption that if you receive a speeding violation through a roadside, it is different than a speeding violation through a stop - a violation may not be a citation but when has a cop issued a violation without a citation? I think and from what many of have been told in sessions, that these are actually the same thing. When a state issues the citation, it has a process to adjudicate the violation behind that citation but the CSA 2010 does not outside of a request. Like some of the logging issues (one example used by one of the FMCSA reps was misspelled city names being a possible violation), this is open to abuse and accumulation of unwarranted points.

Regardless what the FMCSA says, the states are in control and because they still do not have to listen to the FMCSA on how they operate, they can flag things and issue warnings and violations without any oversight from the FMCSA.
 
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