Building the ultimate expediter

LDB

Veteran Expediter
Retired Expediter
Ok, for arguments sake we'll use inheritance, small lotto win, contest win or whatever floats your boat. In any event, you've got enough funds to build the ultimate expediter. The requirements are class 8 platform and ARI/ICT type custom sleeper with toilet/shower with running gear chosen for fuel economy. Other than that anything goes as far as platform brand, engine, trans, etc. so what would you spec and why?

Leo
truck 4958

Support the entire Constitution, not just the parts you like.
 

LDB

Veteran Expediter
Retired Expediter
Now that is definitely creative thinking! I guess I should have mentioned it would have an 18' minimum box and be a D unit capable of E runs at will with gvw of 52k and empty guesstimated around 24k.

Leo
truck 4958

Support the entire Constitution, not just the parts you like.
 

rode2rouen

Expert Expediter
I'll start with a 300" WB International 9200i. The 72" OEM Hi-Rise sleeper is cool with me as I'll tote a small porti-potty and truck stop showers are free. As a solo, I think a shower/toilet is a waste of $$$ and space. I'm gonna spend that cash on a kick-a** sound system!!!

Powertrain wise, Cummins ISX450 hp with C brake driving an Eaton 10speed Autoshift sending the power to a set of tandems with a lockable rear axle differential and geared to cruise at 65mph on the torque peak. FEAR NO HILLS!!!

Putting the ponies on the pavement are Michelin super single tires which lighten the rear by nearly 1000lbs., compared to traditional dual wheels, give better fuel economy, and based on my conversations with long haul big-truck drivers that run them, offer better traction in adverse conditions. All aluminum rims to save a bit more weight.

For layover and sleeper time, an auxiliary generator (unsure of which brand...research continues)to drive a stand-alone heat and A/C unit (IMO, as a former truck tech, you will only increase the headaches and upkeep costs if you tie into the OEM heat and A/C systems). Amusement will be handled by a 30"(+-) plasma tv with a DVD/VCR and satellite feed. Sirius satellite radio (gotta have AL Franken, the NFL and the blues!!!). A fridge and microwave for food storage and preparation.

Add a 24' X 102"Supreme dry box with swing out doors and a stout ICC bumper, a set of powered dollies, and I'm set to haul freight!

Lotto dreams are FUN!!! I gotta go buy a ticket !


Rex
 
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Black Peterbilt 387 stretched with a 24 ft. box. The front grill would have a red light that went back and forth like Knight Rider. The suspension would be reinforced so that I could do Dukes of Hazard style jumps if I needed to (like where a bridge was out but I had to get my load there on time). Probably need some kind of shock dampening device as well to keep the freight from being destroyed when doing jumps.

Got to have one of those satellite tv domes on the roof too.
 

plumcrazy8

Expert Expediter
1983 Cabover Pete with an add-on sleeper, 903 Cummins "big power" V-8, 18 speed double o/d, 24 foot box, big lift gate. Towing, of course, a 1,000 gallon fuel tank (to get me ALL the way across 1 state) and an on-board chiropractor and brain surgeon! Oh, and I want my old HyGain 5 w/powermike back.
 

davekc

Senior Moderator
Staff member
Fleet Owner
Make sure when building that dream machine, you are as educated as the people building it. Bad things can happen when not educated enough in this process. Not a place for a new person to begin.
A spec truck is a better option.
Certainly a place were education and experience is necessary.

A certain EO member went down this path with disasterous results.

But is it is fun to dream and have fun.

If I could get the QC and a pallet on a corvette, I would be set.

A speedy A unit?

Davekc
 
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>Make sure when building that dream machine, you are as
>educated as the people building it. Bad things can happen
>when not educated enough in this process. Not a place for a
>new person to begin.
>A spec truck is a better option.
>Certainly a place were education and experience is
>necessary.
>
>A certain EO member went down this path with disasterous
>results.
>


Dave, I have considered all of that in my design and to be on the safe side I would have Cooter build it for me.
 

davekc

Senior Moderator
Staff member
Fleet Owner
Dave, I have considered all of that in my design and to be on the safe side I would have Cooter build it for me.


Works for me:7

Davekc
 

RichM

Veteran Expediter
Charter Member
Dave makes a very good point. When first starting out stay with a relatively standard expediting truck. Then after you know the industry and know your on the road needs,go from there. When you decide to design and have several builders involved on a custom vehicle be prepared for whatever can go wrong ( as it will). This other forum member that basically bragged about his high level design team (that he would not identify) did not have a truck built to DOT legal standards. So be carefull out there.
 

BigBusBob

Veteran Expediter
Driver
Ok, LBD, I don't know about the weight's, but I think I can squeeze in the 18 ft. box requirement... Ready Guys...

Freightliner Columbia with: Detroit 60 Series, Jake Brake, either an Allison 6 Speed Automatic, or an Eaton Fuller 6 Speed, maybe would go for a 10 Speed AutoShift. I would have the Super Single Wide Tires on the back instead of duals, less tires mean less weight. I'd also have either a tag or pusher axle, probably a tag (in front of drives, right?). I'm not sure though if I'd want the liftable axle or if I'd keep 'em all on the ground. I'd like to see either twin 100's, or twin 75 gallon tanks - might go for modified 125 gallon tanks?.
The new Vorad Lane Guidance System for safety. Power windows, power locks - more weight for the power options but overall it's safer, think NYC & LA. Not to mention I've heard horror stories about Loredo, TX. The rig would have a top of the line Warn Winch mounted/welded/bolted to the truck frame with 100' of steel cable. I'd have tow hooks mounted/welded to the trucks frame in the front & rear. The dollie legs would be manual, not hydralic/electric - gotta have some excitement. I would not have a back-up cam, that would just be one more thing to worry about back there... plus it would add weight. Smile!

Ok... what else? Keeping the 18 foot box that LBD says is critical... I'd get the Columbia with a 34" to 36" Mid-Roof Sleeper, I'd take the bed off the back wall, cut a hole in the back of the sleeper and install a boot to a custom 90" sleeper. ICT or Double Eagle most likely... I mean if we're dreaming, make it Goooood.

Why do this instead of the SST truck (see SST100.com) with the stretched integral sleeper? By having the custom sleeper you can switch it to another rig when you wear out the 1st rig. Having that space behind the drivers seat can be used as a mini-office and for cabinets/dresser space. I figure even with 24" behind drivers seat in the integral part of the sleeper thats still plenty of room for clothes, coats, boots/shoes. One could even put a small desk in there for a laptop "navigator" position (like they have on some jets). By having even 24" of cabinets behind front seats (in 34"-36" Mid-Roof sleeper layout), then you'd have plenty of room for nice drivers & passengers seats - with swivel, and plenty of room to recline.

Now, why did I do that? Now, in the custom add-on sleeper I can have everything functional... with no worries for cabinets/storage of clothes/coats/shoes/boots, etc...

I have 90" to work with now. The roof would have an in-motion satalite dome on it, and perhaps a rooftop AC unit... I'm still deciding whether or not to install a ceiling fan in the sleeper.
I could put 42" bed in there, more or less. Have a sink, 5 gal. House hot water heater in cabinet under sink, Have a one burner stove of some sort in there somewhere on counter (maybe a glass top style burner?), microwave overhead, nice sized fridge with seperate freezer. A 2'x2' shower, I suppose you want a toilet in there somewhere too? I'm still workin' on the location of that item. Plasma screen TV to save weight and add costs, and a VCR/DVD/CD/Cassette player (because I still play cassettes, as long as they keep sellin' them).

Now, there could be cabinets on back upper wall of sleeper for clothes, in which case I'd install a washer/dryer combo unit behind the seats in the cab, and put the fridge/freezer in there as well... which on a lighter note might make the room in the custom sleeper for the toilet *Smile everybody.

There would be a window in the bathroom, along with a roof vent? There'd be a window by the bed and the sink too.
I'd have a "Magic Switch" in the cab for the dump system of the grey/black water - which I'd probably put all into one tank to save space/time (yes, I know it's wrong, but so is driving a $150,000 rig with stock seats). The magic switch would only be used in the rain storms while driving though, and never on a drawbridge (or any bridge and/or tunnel)... I'd dump at J's about once a week or so (unless it's raining alot, smile).

I'd have 100 gal. of water, or no less than 75 gal. of water- 40 gal. will last 5 to 7 days, can stretch longer but it's rough. Waste tank would be on passenger side, freshwater would be on drivers side.

I'd have a RigMaster GenSet, or a Diesel Onan Generator thats completely self-sustained (using it's own cooling/heating, not the trucks system).
Next to that I'd have a Carrier reefer unit under the cargo box. I'd have a lift gate, and a curbside door on the box as well. I'd carry a pallet jack, plenty of blankets, and straps of various kinds, and have atleast 6 to 8 load bars that lock into the E-track, which I'd have 6 rows of on each wall. I'd also carry an extension ladder in the cargo box to change marker lights and disconnect the QC or atleast cover it with foil easier. I'd have 2 storage boxes on the truck somewhere as well. I'm considering having florescent lights in the cargo box, with a transluscent roof of course. There'd be electric heated mirrors, with adjustable spotlights controled from in the cab on each mirror arm.

The cab would have a phone in it that would ring the sleeper (and the sleeper could ring the driver too). There'd be a CB in the cab, with a PA speaker in the sleeper with an on/off switch. I think it'd be nice (sometimes) to have a CB in the sleeper though too. I think I'd have a large door in the sleeper somewhere to pass supplies in/out thru at the Wal-Marts & Bass Pro Shops stores. I'd have my fishin' rods and tackle box & mountain bike on the rig somewhere too no doubt. The cab and sleeper would have seperate XM Radio's.
And instead of a curtain... I'd have a wood door that would slide shut on metal tracks to keep light/sound out of the sleeper with a dark tinted window in it with curtain. The door would be covered with fabric & foam to further dampen/absorb sounds, and it'd have rubber bumpers on it so it would not rattle.

Now, that my fellow drivers... is a rig.

For now, that's my idea of the ultimate expediter...

Sincerely, BigBusBob
 

Broompilot

Veteran Expediter
Your not looking for a work truck, your looking for a luxury tour bus. Joe has one (Gibbs) just does not haul freight only Executives to and from the Nascar races. Is there such a thing as you all describe?
 

BigBusBob

Veteran Expediter
Driver
I'm surprised more didn't comment on my reply.
I would have thought Dave or the Gibster would have remarked...
The rig I described is a working rig, provided it would work
length-wise, I mean by keeping it within 40 feet. I think it would.
I just believe in being comfortable. I'm not one to work for 2-3 weeks then run home for a bit. I enjoy stayin' out 4-6 weeks at a time, therefore a rig more comforts would suit me better. Sure one can get along for 6 weeks with a 72" sleeper, even a custom 100" sleeper, but why do it without a shower and toilet onboard? The more comforts one has for 6 weeks the better one can run. I'd stay out 4 weeks or 6 weeks, even 8 weeks... provided I had the right rig set-up. I stay out with the busses for as long as they want me to stay out, usually it's 7 days or so - but, I'm in a hotel/motel room every nite. I've stayed out as long as 3 and a half months.
I don't know, I think the rig I described would be heavy empty. I imagine it could put down 24K lbs. plus on the scale empty.
Otherwise, I'd have a Pete 387 stretched with a custom sleeper put behind it, I like the lines on that 387. The KW's have too narrow of a cab for me. The M2 doesn't feel like a truck to me, and the International is just ok (in my opinion). Though there is a gold KW in the EO photo gallery that's sharp, I don't know what model KW it is, but it's beefy lookin'. The new International Eagle is sharp though, and I like the interior layout on them. Whatever rig I'd have as a dream rig, I know it'd have XM Radio, In-Motion Satalite TV, a RigMaster generator, and some large toolboxes.
That would have to be standard.
 

davekc

Senior Moderator
Staff member
Fleet Owner
The 387 is a good looking ride. KW's are very tight in the room department but they are built and durable.
When looking at service and durability, nothing that we have had in the past compares.
My second choice would be a Western Star or a Pete.
And of course, those monster sleepers that we have gotten use to.
That obsession turns into once you have it, you won't want anything else.

Davekc
owner
20 years
 

davekc

Senior Moderator
Staff member
Fleet Owner
I like your link.
I hope Areocell comes out with a neat version for expediting.
I liked what I seen at MidAmerica

Davekc
 

jaminjim

Veteran Expediter
Okay for us less informed wath were some of the problems with the build of the " Other " members truck so that we may all know what to watch out for?
 

davekc

Senior Moderator
Staff member
Fleet Owner
The two biggest issues were structual integrity was compromised, and the final product was overlength.

Any time one gets into class 8 conversions, the other issue would be front axle weights. Over the years, we have seen many built incorrectly and they can turn into expensive mistakes.
This can happen on a class 7 as well but it seems to be a lesser degree.

This is a place were it is a real advantage to know as much as the people building it. Especially if it is a prototype vehicle.

Davekc
owner
20 years
 

BigBusBob

Veteran Expediter
Driver
On a more serious note, what did the "Expediter" think about my "Idea", as far as my reply towards the "ultimate Expediter"??? what did you all think?
 

davekc

Senior Moderator
Staff member
Fleet Owner
expediter truck

BigBusBob

I like the way you think. I think we are close to what you are seeking.


Davekc
 

BigBusBob

Veteran Expediter
Driver
RE: expediter truck

One thing I don't like about tour bus work... havin' to stay awake all nite so that I can sleep during the day - 'cause I have a run the next nite thats long. Anyways, I like the rig, I've seen it - we parked near eachother once I remember at a J, I believe it was on the north side of Atlanta somewhere. Close, but the crawl-thru isn't my thing, at 6'1", I like my space and have been down the route of crawl-thru's. That's why I chose my dream rig of a Mid-Roof. I'd love a walk-thru similar to what Alumi-Junk offers, AA Sleeper offers similar styles I know.
I like the idea that Dave put a large aftermarket sleeper on his rig, that shows that he's into investing into the product, not just buying it to use it then sell it... the set-up clearly says it's able to be transfered to another rig if so desired.
In layman terms, Once the property is wore out,
the house can be moved.
Dave & I share many of the same ideas/opinions on here. Structural integrity would be a concern of mine for my idea mentioned a few replies up in this thread. I would think the SST100 Sleepers structure would have to be rather beefy to support it's length & overall size. Would a Mid-Roof Sleeper's integrity be compromised once it's cut into in the back? The Mid-Roof idea is nice I think, though I'm not sure if it's practical or not, I'm curious to hear comments on it... Over time, I might make a seperate post on it to get more replies/comments on it. The other thing is does the rig exceed the length limit of 40 feet.
Freightliner with smallest Mid-roof, plus a custom sleeper, 22 foot box, genset, reefer, roof ac, satalite, tool boxes, full plumbing system, and much more.... I know somewhere in there I'm runnin' over my limits of whats "legal" by DOT standards for freight haulers in the expedited straight truck field.
Comment please
 
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