Blood pressure problems

Crazynuff

Veteran Expediter
I just renewed my physical but was given a 1 year restriction due to high blood pressure.(148/90). Reading the medical form though it says something about a 3 month certificate if pressure is over 140/90 . The doctor was new and seemed inexperienced in DOT physicals but told me I should have no problem getting my bp down with medication . Yes , diet changes might do it . I thought I was doing right but just read an interesting book about eating according to my blood type . Things I thought were good for me ( bananas , oranges , milk , wheat )
are actually bad and after avoiding coffee for the days leading up to my physical I find that coffee is good for me . My wife took my bp the day after the physical and it was 138/80 and it had been that low or lower when taken about once a week previous to that . I also read that bp over 140/90 is consider hypertension for people under 40 but over 40 it's 160/90 . Has anybody else heard that ? Anyway back to my original purpose for posting - do I need to do anything or get a certificate within 3 months ?
 

klippencott

Expert Expediter
Hi Crazynuff
I just had my physical also. I have never had high blood pressure but the machine in the clinic showed me with 159/99. I told the nurse I should just leave and have my family doctor check it. My doctor checked it a couple hours later and said it was 130/70 which is where it usually is. I went back to the clinic and had them check it again, it was still showing high. I told them I felt something was wrong with their BP machine and asked that they check it manually. They did and got a 130/80 reading. Moral of the story, don't be afraid to question the BP issue. I knew something had to be wrong with their digital machine, it probably needs new batteries!

I've never had high BP and have no history of it in my family. That silly machine could have cost me my CDL and job. I don't give up easy!

Kathy
 

Crazynuff

Veteran Expediter
They took mine manually . We have a automatic tester at home so my wife can check hers when she's home alone . It gives pretty good readings for her - always high for me . The machines in Walmart are a joke .
 

terryandrene

Veteran Expediter
Safety & Compliance
US Coast Guard
Good advice from Kathy. Just 'cause they've got a white lab coat on doesn't make them a qualified technician. Many of these clinics are staffed by lots of technicians doing the simple jobs without realizing the consequences of misinformation. Just the anxiety of waiting for a BP exam can elevate your exam results to the point that you'll need frequent BP exams to satisfy the CDL requirements.

www.webmd.com is an excellent source of free medical information on any ailment imaginable. Check them out to see waahat you can do to control your condition, or non-condition, as the case may be.

Dr. Terry, MD
(Mediocre Driver)
 

RichM

Veteran Expediter
Charter Member
If you are currently on any type of BP medication ,even though you are below the guidelines,you will only be given a one year certificate.Also generally BP is lower in the PM hours then in the morning.

Kinda makes you wonder about some of the Big Boys you see at the buffet.
 

greg334

Veteran Expediter
White coat syndrome that is what it is. I had to teach my doctors office how to fill out the DOT form, I should have been paid for my time.

My BP is high when I arrive at the doctors, first because of dumb office staff syndrome and going through the same c**p with them every time – unpleasant attitude (God like), any new insurance, change of address, yelling my name and butchering it in front of the waitingroom, etc… even when I was there the day before.

After I get into the exam room, it is still is high but after I insist on getting it taken again, it is well below the limit.
 

cheri1122

Veteran Expediter
Driver
"White coat syndrome" can be caused by nervousness, (perfectly understandable when your job may hang in the balance), and it can also be caused by anger (like I have when I've had to wait an hour to see the doctor). Blood pressure can be temporarily elevated by many other factors as well. and the fact that someone is taking your blood pressure doesn't mean they're doing it accurately. If you don't believe the result, get it rechecked - neither machines nor humans are infallible.
 

Florida

Expert Expediter
:'(
At the tender age of 50, I've been through malignant cancer surgery, arthtitis and herniated disks in just about all of my spinal column, and also have to deal with this blood pressure issue.

I really disdains me to be attached to a moving pharmacy, with my life depending upon whether I take a little white pill or not - to see the next day.

Yes, STRESS and ANXIETY play key roles in the blood pressure spectrum. Before a CDL exam, no caffiene, no sodas with caffiene, no red bull "vitamin energy" drinks, no sinus medication containing ephedrine which if you have blood pressure issues, your doctor should have warned you to aviod like a plague. Stay calm, because being nervouse can hike your BP by 30 points.

Example:
I took my daily BP meds the day I drove my 70 year father to the VA clinic for an operation. Had to stay there in the waiting room for about 4 hours. Didn't eat or drink anything, just sat. When I got back home later that day, my readings were near 200/105; stroke city and that has to come from the root cause of being nervous, wound up tighter than a swiss watch, thinking about my father in surgery.

Figure this one out:
when I had my own cancer surgery, the doctor and anesthiologist were keenly aware of my BP problems. Even while asleep under the knife, the doctor told me my BP went up to around 170...I never was able to figure that one out. The next 2 days in the hospital post-op, my BP went down to 105.

Kind word of advice:
BUY A BP cuff from a retail outlet,one that has batteries for power and a charger, take it with you - as this little $60 machine can save your life.

When I came back from my father's operation, I felt OK, no symptoms from the "Silent Killer", and I was ready to make a pot of coffee.
That check with the BP cuff showing an output of 200 saved my life.

Here is another one to figure out:
The US government and DOT have all these rules about who can be medically fit to drive a CMV. Get this: they say it's ok to drive a CMV if your BP stays under a number, even if taking those pills to bring it down each and everone one of them says DO NOT OPERATE MACHINERY OR VEHICLES, MAY CAUSE DROWSINESS. MAY CAUSE LOSS OF BALANCE.

So the government says it's Ok to take BP medications that say don't drive because you'll fall alseep at the wheel, just so long as the BP numbers stay under 140....

To me it's all the same. What is the difference of falling asleep from BP meds, or having a stroke behind the wheel? Both result in total loss of control of the vehicle. In the great majority of highway collisions and jacknifes, the driver is most likely not going to walk away from the wreck; D.O.A. Same end result.

I have yet to find any type of Blood Pressure medication that does not have that sleep/dizziness/don't drive warning label.

BUY THAT BP CUFF AND TAKE IT IN THE TRUCK WITH YOU, AND CHECK YOUR BP AT LEAST DAILY. YOU MAY FEEL FINE, BUT BP IS KNOWN AS THE "SILENT KILLER",(just like a lot of cancers).

Mike
 

Florida

Expert Expediter
BP and DOT MEDICAL CERTIF.

Have to disagree.

I use 4 BP meds daily, the same as my 70 year old father - it runs in the family, and I'm totally stressed out trying to support a family in this business. I've been in the truck and transportation industry since 1975, about 30 years. Seen so many wrecks, close calls, I've stopped counting the number of times I nearly died on the streets. Head on wrecks, spin outs, bodiies under yellow plastic tarps, helicopter airlifts of human remains. That in itself is enough to warrant "combat pay". I was overseas in Germany and Holland driving for the US Government, 92nd Trans Co. V Corps USEAUR, and the US Army Corps of Engineers. Talk about some messy wrecks on the autobahn. One time I passed what was left of a truck. Couldn't really tell it was a truck, just a crumbled bundle of sheetmetal and the motor and tranny combo ripped off the frame and was sitting down in a ditch alone. Ouch. I saw a solid patch of skid marks from 2 tires going for at least a mile. (yes MILE). Evidently, this guy must have been driving his usual 150mph+ or so, when somebody pulled out in front of him way up ahead. He locked his wheels up, and skidded UPHILL for at least a mile..solid black rubber. Those marks kept going and going, slightly heading to the left towards the concrete divider; then abruptly stopped, went sideways a little bit. Guess he was going so fast, that skidding for about a mile uphill wasn't enuogh, and he hit whatever pulled out in front of him and smacked back to the right a bit.


In any event, I disclosed all the BP issues and cancer surgery on my DOT long form, disclosed all meds, and then had my BP taken. It was under the 140/90 limit, and I was provided with a 2 year DOT medical card. I've used up about 1 year of it, and have about 1 year left.

The 1 year certificate is for those who have intermediate high BP problems, I believe between the range of 140/90 and 160/95. Anything higher than 160 - good luck.
 

Florida

Expert Expediter
> "White coat syndrome" can be caused by nervousness,
>(perfectly understandable when your job may hang in the
>balance), and it can also be caused by anger (like I have
>when I've had to wait an hour to see the doctor). Blood
>pressure can be temporarily elevated by many other factors
>as well. and the fact that someone is taking your blood
>pressure doesn't mean they're doing it accurately. If you
>don't believe the result, get it rechecked - neither
>machines nor humans are infallible.

Exactly, ANGER and ANXIETY will jack up the BP; g-teed.

Guess that is the intent of the DOT law about BP, to keep people with high BP levels from driving CMV where they will inevitably encounter traffic situations which could concievablly jack their BP into a stroke situation, causing total loss of control of the vehicle; which in heavy traffic - when a T.T. goes, it takes a lot of surrounding traffic with it.
 

RichM

Veteran Expediter
Charter Member
Mike you are corrct about the 2 year rule. Some carriers like FEDEXCC have a in house rule that if you take BP medications you must have a annual DOT physical.
 

terryandrene

Veteran Expediter
Safety & Compliance
US Coast Guard
Thanks for revealing your personal information which many of us find relevant in the performance of our day to day driving duties.

The following lengthy but useful info may clarify other health issuesfor the EO members.

Guidance from the Federal Highway Administration

Most primary care physicians are familiar with the physical examination form published in the FMCSRs. This form, which contains brief instructions for performing the certification examination, is used almost universally, even though it was published only as an example. Physicians may devise their own examination form if it covers at least the same information as the published form.

The FMCSRs also list 13 conditions that can disallow driver certification. Four of these conditions always require denial of certification: insulin-treated diabetes mellitus, seizure disorders, significant vision deficits and significant hearing deficits. The 13 sections of the regulations are summarized in Table 1.1,3-8 Detailed regulatory criteria statements on each of these conditions are available from the Federal Highway Administration (FHWA).

TABLE 1
Summary of Federal Motor Carriers Safety Regulations, Regulatory Criteria and Reports of Expert Panels

Condition
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Recommendation
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Loss of foot, leg, hand or arm

The driver is medically disqualified unless a waiver has been obtained from the regional director of motor carriers. If the driver is otherwise medically qualified, the examining physician should check the statement "medically unqualified unless accompanied by a waiver" on the examination form and certificate.

Impairments of hand or lower extremity

Any significant limb defect that interferes with the ability to perform tasks associated with operating a motor vehicle is disqualifying or requires a waiver (e.g., fused or immobile knee or hip, partial paralysis, etc.).

Insulin-controlled diabetes

A driver taking insulin cannot be certified for interstate driving. However, a driver who has diabetes that is controlled by oral medications and diet may be qualified if the disease is well controlled and the driver is under medical supervision. Documentation from the driver's physician should be obtained. If diabetes is untreated or uncontrolled, certification should not be given.

Current diagnosis of cardiovascular disease

Any condition known to be accompanied by sudden and unexpected syncope, collapse or congestive heart failure is disqualifying. Conditions such as myocardial infarction, angina and cardiac dysrhythmias should probably be evaluated rigorously by a cardiologist before certification is issued. Holter monitors and exercise stress tests may be needed when a driver has multiple risk factors and other questions need to be answered. Tachycardia or bradycardia should be investigated to rule out underlying cardiac disease. Asymptomatic dysrhythmia with no underlying disease process should not be disqualifying.

Established history or diagnosis of respiratory dysfunction

If a driver has clear symptoms of significant pulmonary disease, basic spirometry and lung volume tests are recommended. If the forced expiratory volume in one second (FEV1) is less than 65 percent of predicted value, the forced vital capacity (FVC) is less than 60 percent of predicted or the ratio of FEV1 to FVC is less than 65 percent, pulse oximetry should be performed. If pulse oximetry on room air is less than 92 percent, an arterial blood gas measurement is recommended. If the partial pressure of arterial oxygen is less than 65 mm Hg or the partial pressure of arterial carbon dioxide is more than 45 mm Hg, disqualification is recommended.

Hypertension

If the blood pressure is 160/90 mm Hg or lower, a full two-year certification is appropriate. If the blood pressure is higher than 160/90 mm Hg (either systolic or diastolic) but lower than 181/105 mm Hg, temporary certification may be granted for three months to allow time for the driver to be evaluated and treated. If the initial pressure is 181/105 mm Hg or higher, the driver should not be certified. Once treatment has brought a driver's blood pressure under control, certification should be issued for no more than one year at a time. Note that several readings should be taken over several days to rule out "white coat" hypertension. Significant target organ damage and additional risk factors increase the risk of sudden collapse and should be disqualifying.

Musculoskeletal, neurologic or vascular diseases

Depending on severity, any condition (physical, mental or functional) can be disqualifying if it can significantly impair a driver's ability to control a motor vehicle or to react to emergencies.

Epilepsy

A driver with a clinical diagnosis of epilepsy and recurrent seizures of any etiology should never be certified. A driver who has had an isolated seizure or episode of syncope may be certified, but only if the driver is not taking medications and has been free of seizures for five years following an isolated idiopathic seizure and for 10 years following multiple seizures. Febrile seizures of childhood are not disqualifying. All questionable cases should be cleared by a neurologist.

Mental, nervous, organic or psychiatric disorders

Mental conditions that can affect judgment, perception of reality and reaction times may be disqualifying. When in doubt, the examining physician should have the driver obtain clearance from a psychiatrist or a neurologist. Medications required for mental conditions may be disqualifying if they can alter consciousness or reaction times.

Vision less than 20/40 in each eye

Vision must be at least 20/40 in each eye with or without correction. Certification can be given once vision has been corrected, but not until. The driver should be advised to have his or her eyes evaluated, obtain corrective lenses and then return for certification. Field of vision must be at least 70 degrees in each eye. Color vision must allow recognition of standard traffic signals (i.e., red, green and amber).

Hearing loss

of more than an average of 40 dB in the best ear at 500, 1,000 and 2,000 Hz The driver should pass a whispered voice test at five feet in at least one ear. A hearing aid may be worn for the test. If the test result is questionable, an audiogram is recommended. The better ear must not have an average hearing loss of more than 40 dB at 500, 1,000 and 2,000 Hz (to obtain an average, add the three decibel losses together and divide by 3).

Use of schedule I drugs and consciousness-altering drugs

Use of a schedule I drug or any other consciousness-altering substance, an amphetamine, a narcotic or any other habit-forming drug is cause for the driver to be found medically unqualified. Use of other prescription medications is not an automatic disqualifier; however, the condition being treated, the medications prescribed and the dosage level must be consistent with the safe performance of the driver's duties.

Current diagnosis of alcoholism

The term "current diagnosis" is meant to encompass those instances in which the physical and mental condition of the driver with alcoholism has not fully stabilized, regardless of the time element. If the severity or extent of the problem is uncertain, the examining physician may refer the driver to a substance abuse counselor for evaluation and clearance.

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Pappy

Expert Expediter
Would someone please call me in the morning and remind me to take my anti-depressant pills so I'll be able to drive by noon!

Pappy:7 :7 :7
 

Peace2All

Expert Expediter
Are your arms huge? Cuff size might be the problem. Did you think about that? More squeeze around the arm makes all the difference in the world. Have them use a cuff for your arm size.
 

Marty

Veteran Expediter
On a recent dot physical my bp was 190/90 unitl I convinced the nurse to take my bp with an extra large cuff. Upon retest my pressure was normal.
I did get a one year card because of being overweight. I never heard of that before.
 

creekindian33

Expert Expediter
most compines dont care were u get ur phiscal as long as u have one i whould find somebody else to do it they r geting real strict abough high blood preasure i know somebody who has a problem whith it he does not tell anybody he has it an i think that its best not to say anything good luck i whould get another boctor if not they will heras u abought itx(
 

raceman

Veteran Expediter
I have had a BP problem almost all my life. I take medication to control it and do infact only get one year at a time on the certificate. No big deal. They do ask that it be checked once every three months. I have no idea what you were told but what I do is get it checked and have it written down on Dr.'s letterhead and keep it with my medical card.

I was once asked about it during a full inspection at a scale house. Why? Well I keep all my stuff, permits, insurance, etc in one binder. When they were going through that they saw a note about BP then looked at my medical card and that led to the questions. I had the stuff I needed and away I went.

As far as eating right, if you would like to contact me via a off line note, I can really help you out there. I work with a nutritionist in my family who has kept me alive since I almost died from a very serious health problem and OH YEAH WHITE LAB COATED HEALTH PROFFESIONALS. Be glad to help you out.


Raceman
OTR O/O
 

blacktiger

Expert Expediter
I might take you up on that. I know sometimes the machines aren't so accurate. Done mine a couple times at companies and turns out differnt several times.

George
 

HoosierHllyBlly

Seasoned Expediter
My blood pressure use to be borderline of being high. I was also a smoker also. I layed down the smokes and now my blood pressure is normal. I was really suprised on how smokeing effected my blood pressure. That is something to think about if your a smoker and have high blood pressure.

HoosierHllyBlly
 
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