Biofuel

arkjarhead

Veteran Expediter
I heard a story on the news a few days ago about tyson's chicken was gonna start taking chicken fat and using it in biofuel for their fleet some kind of way. i was curious if anyone else had heard anything about this. i'm sure there would need to be heaters put in the fuel tanks to keep it from gelling up.
 

Jack_Berry

Moderator Emeritus
i am sure it will not be chicken 100 biofuel. it will prolly be a blend like 5 or 10%. that is not a high enough concentration to gell fuel. how do i know? i ran it is a couple mercedes benz cars at b20 for a winter with no fuel jello problems. amatuer home brewers shy away from chicken fat due to the gell factor. tyson will prolly get it figured out. its funny that prople worry that food stock will be taken over by the biodiesel craze but there are acres of farmland in this country the gov't pays folks to not grow on so why not sow a corn or soy bio crop. there are other crops to grow like sawgrass and still others that give better yield per acre like rapeseed. the choices are out there it is a new industry.

check out from barnes and noble, biodiesel: growing a new fuel economy by greg pahr available from green press.


Jack Berry
 

greg334

Veteran Expediter
The sad thing is after years of processing WVO myself, I find most of these systems sold to people are a rip and don't really do anything except filter and heat the oil.

With the animal fat issue, which has been around for years, was two issues of cost and the effectivness of the processing it into a usable oil.

Now there is a few other things that have popped up lately, a mobile digester and someone has actually gone across the country with a Wood Gas Generator.
 

greg334

Veteran Expediter
arkjarhead
Actually thanks for the thread, it is a good thing you mentioned this because it gets people to think about alternetive fuels.
 

bamamule

Seasoned Expediter
why not go back to using coal to make desial fuel like they did during ww2
it would be putting americans back to work in coal mines
 

arkjarhead

Veteran Expediter
yeah but coal is surely not clean burning. i'm not a tree hugger or anything but i think we should be thinking of clean renewable options. coal is neither clean nor renewable. crops that can be grown or fats from from animals that normally go to waste can be renewed in a year or less. that's the beauty of it. a vechicle that can run on 100% soy will be cleaner, the fuel can be renewed on a yearly basis, and it might add some time to the life of your engine. plus that would help alot of people. I'm not saying coal is a bad option i just don't think it's the best option we have.
 

greg334

Veteran Expediter
Yea coal is sort of dirty but truly we have more coal than we have anything else right now.
 

arkjarhead

Veteran Expediter
see i didn't know coal could be cleaned up or there was a cleanier version of coal. see i learn something new everyday.
 

layoutshooter

Veteran Expediter
Retired Expediter
ONE of the reasons that we pay farmers NOT to grow is to stop the land from wearing out, losing to many minerals etc. ANOTHER reason is the lose of critical wildlife habitat. Prarie pot holes, wet prarie, marginal wet lands to name a few. Another is CLEANER water. One way to perk up worn out land is to fertilize it. Those fertilizers get into the rivers and lakes. They cause alge's to grow at above normal rates. That removes oxygen from the water causing fish to die and water to turn bad increasing the cost to making it safe for drinking. There is NO easy answer. Coal CAN be cleaned up. It costs money too. The answer lies in many old and new remidies.
Drill in the U.S. for our own oil, fuel cells, fuels from coal, public transportation, more use of rail, etc, etc, etc. We have to take a bit of time, DO NOT rush into one answer, that is how we got to where we are today. WHEW, said may piece!!! My spelling sucks to say the least, but you get the idea. REMEMBER, EVERYTHING we try will cost more. What costs we chose to pay is the problem, more per gallon, dirty water, less wildlife habitat. We WILL pay, let's try to do it smart this time. Layoutshooter
 

layoutshooter

Veteran Expediter
Retired Expediter
Burning fossil fuel releases Co2 that was free in the atmosphere during past periods of global warming. We need to control how much of it we release at one time. All that Co2 is part of the environment, always has been. It is released, stored, then released again. Plants absort it, they die, they get buried by time. That is how it is stored. It can be released by man, volcanoes, erosion etc. We need to look for multiple ways to slow down the release. Wiping out wildlife populations, destroying our clean water to stop global warming does not save the environment. The environment is everthing, not just the global temp. Remeber, the temp on Mars is up almost as high as earth. A 2 -4% shift over the several hundreds of thousands of years is normal. This has happened before. We don;t want to go down to the 100,000 year average, New York city would be under 10 feet of ice if we did, but then again, maybe that would be a good thing. Just think, no NYC runs!!!! Not bad!!! layoutshooter
 
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