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cheri1122 said:
I wouldn't have pegged you as a Heinlein fan....
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Asimov too. I once heard Asimov lecture while I was at NSA. He did a LOT of work for NSA while I was there. I have most of Heinlein's and Asimov's books.

Can't forget Clarke either. My favorite of his was "Childhood's End".
 
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letzrockexpress

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layoutshooter said:
Asimov too. I once heard Asimov lecture while I was at NSA. He did a LOT of work for NSA while I was there.
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I assume he (Asimov) was lecturing on "Psychohistory", the predecessor of "Metadata"... being that you are a fan of Asimov it begs the question: Do you feel Metadata and the systemic collection of intel on the American public is useful or even a good idea?
 
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letzrockexpress said:
I assume he (Asimov) was lecturing on "Psychohistory", the predecessor of "Metadata"... being that you are a fan of Asimov it begs the question: Do you feel Metadata and the systemic collection of intel on the American public is useful or even a good idea?
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No, he was lecturing on security matters. Most of what he said was over my head, which is why I was sent to hear his talk. He was in "Freedman Hall".

I know he did quite a bit of "consulting" for NSA, for what purpose I was not aware.

I only read his fiction. His hard science did not interest me when I was 12.
 
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Humble2drive

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layoutshooter said:
Go back into the history of why pot was made illegal and see how it was a racial thing as well.

Just call it as I see it.
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Can you give a reference to your source of history on that?

The first thing that popped up on my Internet search was this Wikipedia entry:

One source of tensions in the western and southwestern states was the influx of Mexicans to America. Many Mexicans also smoked marijuana to relax after working in the fields.Later in that decade negative tensions grew between the small farms and the large farms that used cheaper Mexican labor. Shortly afterwards the Great Depression came which increased tensions as jobs and resources became more scarce. Because of that, the passage of the initial laws is often described as a product of racism, yet use of hashish by near eastern immigrants were also cited, as well as the misuse of pharmaceutical hemp, and the laws conformed with other legislation that was being passed around the country. Mexico itself had passed prohibition in 1925, following the International Opium Convention
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That was enough for me as it clearly demonstrated that you are incorrect.

I understand that you call it as you see it but you seem to always see it from only one viewpoint that fits your beliefs. :(
 
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layoutshooter said:
No, he was lecturing on security matters. Most of what he said was over my head, which is why I was sent to hear his talk. He was in "Freedman Hall".

I know he did quite a bit of "consulting" for NSA, for what purpose I was not aware.

I only read his fiction. His hard science did not interest me when I was 12.
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Did he make it clear to the reader which works were fiction and which were not? Hopefully he did.
 
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Humble2drive said:
Can you give a reference to your source of history on that?

The first thing that popped up on my Internet search was this Wikipedia entry:



That was enough for me as it clearly demonstrated that you are incorrect.

I understand that you call it as you see it but you seem to always see it from only one viewpoint that fits your beliefs. :(
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Maybe it would help if you researched a tad more.

Ohio couple married 65 years die 11 hours apart

Why Marijuana Became Illegal ? Attorney Bruce Alan Block

Why is Marijuana Illegal? « Drug WarRant

Just a few, there are many, many more.
 
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Humble2drive said:
Can you give a reference to your source of history on that?

The first thing that popped up on my Internet search was this Wikipedia entry:



That was enough for me as it clearly demonstrated that you are incorrect.

I understand that you call it as you see it but you seem to always see it from only one viewpoint that fits your beliefs. :(
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Maybe it would help if you researched a tad more.

“There are 100,000 total marijuana smokers in the U.S.,” Anslinger might say, “and most are Negroes, Hispanics, Filipinos and entertainers. Their Satanic music, jazz and swing, result from marijuana use. This marijuana causes white women to seek sexual relations with Negroes, entertainers and any others.”

Harry Anslinger

http://quotes.liberty-tree.ca/quote_blog/Harry.Anslinger.Quote.846A





Why Marijuana Became Illegal ? Attorney Bruce Alan Block

Why is Marijuana Illegal? « Drug WarRant

Just a few, there are many, many more.
 
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runrunner

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Brisco said:
And we had "Laws" of the Land back in the "Cowboy - Ranching - Western" times (Mid to Late 1800's) on the books that "Law Men" were hired to enforce. (Deputies - Sheriffs - Rangers - Etc)

If a Cattle Rancher caught a Horse/Cattle thief Red Handed........That Ranch Owner would take the Law into his own hands and HANG that thief from the closest tree available.

When the Family Members / Friends / Associates of that DEAD alleged horse/cattle thief would go to the Local "Law" enforcers over these Deaths.......Only response they would get was...."Oh Well....He did get caught stealing Cattle and or Horses"...........and that was that.

I am pretty sure that in todays society if the PUBLIC caught those 2 Animals that Killed this WW2 Veteran in the manner that they did, and the PUBLIC Hung both of these Animals from an Old Oak Tree somewhere.........that Prosecutors would have hard time finding 12 people from the PUBLIC that would ALL agree to Convict these "Vigilantes". (They'd probably have to move the whole Circus Act to San Francisco for ANY HOPE of a 12 member panel Unanimous Guilty Verdict)

I for one would have NO ISSUE supplying the Rope for the Hanging of these 2 Animals...................
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I think in the old west a fist was met with a fist,if you shot an unarmed man it was Murder.
 
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LDB said:
If there is irrefutable evidence convicting them they should execute these animals by beating the snot and the other s stuff out of them. If it's good enough for them to give it's good enough for them to receive as well.

Arrest made in Spokane beating death of WWII vet Delbert Belton - CNN.com
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Yes this crime is the worst of the worst,but I bet that Veteran who lost is life would want his murderer's to receive a fair trail and be punished according to law.After all that is what he fought for.
 
cheri1122

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witness23 said:
I'm trying to figure out what the "Ohio couple married 65 years die 11 hours apart" link has to do with the discussion at hand.
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Don't - you'll scramble your brain trying to make sense of it. I should have let the reference to Heinlein's book go, too, but I was surprised to see it cited. On second thought, it was probably the last time the OP actually read a book on an unfamiliar subject, lol. I wanted to ask, but didn't want to derail the thread any worse, if that's even possible. What was the subject, anyway? :rolleyes:
 
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cubansammich said:
Did he make it clear to the reader which works were fiction and which were not? Hopefully he did.
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Can't speak to his lectures, but in his writing, Asimov made the distinction between fiction and non, as he wrote on both sides of the fence: science and science fiction. The man was brilliant, no doubt about it.
 
cubansammich

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RLENT said:
Ahhh ... I don't think he was referring to the lecture ...
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Yeah I'm a bit surprised someone else didn't get that rather obvious point. A bit more clarity for some follows. It has become apparent of late that there is a purveyor of fiction promoting his writings as fact. It is the pink elephant in the room currently and it is laughable to say the least. I would not be surprised to read next of his adventures with Babe his big blue ox or the time he raced a steam drill with his hammer. The funniest part is that he seems to be thinking that nobody knows.

Hopefully we not hear of the time he awakened in a hotel bathtub filled with ice and several vital organs harvested from his body.
 
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