be united,chalenge dot low's,if you do not like it

[wolf]

I created last topic about driving more than 11 hrs.i see moust off the people afraid to breik any "low".(especialy leo from panther).Do you realy think,that its the drivers falt,that dot puting new "low's" on our necks???com on.we are just small nails in big mashine.Do you think,that trucks doing more accidents now ,when 10 years ago?or more when 4-weeles do?
Samone needs to get promouted,someone needs to bild his name in government,some one needs the part of our potato,some one more hungry,some one just like to rulle others....
The people must create low,not some one.You are free people,free truckers,or maybey i am wrong???Truckers are the part of the system now,must obey lows and drink beer on couch....
You can chalenge low,strike,you can talk to your deputys,you can vote for truckers in government,you can do lots off things for you,for your children.
not just obey lows and sit on coucth in front off computer or tv.
You must create big organisation,whoo can fight for truckers rights.You do have that power...just you do not know that...do not care obout it...thats why others thinks,that truckers are stupid...
Look to europe,truckers doing strikes,and geting what tyhey want from governments.

I cant do it myself-cant write fluent english.i was born in small european country.
but i saw what people can do,if they want to.this cantry was under russian ocupation,so it was diferent "lows" back then.but our people just were tired of russian rulles and we chalenged them.And russians got scared and runs out .and that contry becoms independent again.and creates the new diferent" lows".


I am us citizen now,but i do have expierence that people must obey gods low first,not the government.you can change governmens low if you do not like it.
wolf

 

[FAMILYEXPDT]

RE: be united,chalenge dot low's,if you do not lik

I think the difference that you are missing is that in the process of challenging or changing a law, one must adhere to the current laws. I have yet to see where anarchy resulted in fast and positive change, even in Russia. I do not think Leo or anyone else is afraid to challenge the current laws, I believe they do so with their memberships in OOIDA, with their voting, and with the input they put in thru other venues, and saying that says to me that you do not have a clear and complete grasp of the democratic process at work. Yes, we can make changes....albeit too slow at times, but in the meantime we have a responsibility to live our lives in compliance with the laws of the industry we have CHOSEN to be in. If you think you are above the law, the inside of a jail cell for being inviolved in an accident while you were "working for change" will probably convince you otherwise.



-Charlee

 

[Jayman]

RE: be united,chalenge dot low's,if you do not lik

I am all for reviewing laws, if it is determined that they arent effective. But...did you ever think that laws were in place to also protect you from problems and possibly others?

 

[flatbedin]

RE: be united,chalenge dot low's,if you do not lik

If you think america is a "democracy", well then you should really sit down and look at laws that are made each and every day..

The name of the game is now MONEY.. Who has it, and who is connected to it.. Who can throw their weight one way or another to get what they want..

If not, then look at the fact that soon we will all have drivers on our roads here in america, that in their own country, don't even have to have a CDL to drive a truck. There are no laws in their country for the "trucking" industry.. And yet we are opening our borders up, and letting them cross. And if you think that they will abide by our laws, well then maybe you should spend a little more time on the road.

How many people can say that they have not seen a person in a truck stop, or toll both, ect, that can not speak english? They can not read, write, nor speak our language, but yet they have a CDL to drive in OUR country? How is this possible?

Im a member of the OOIDA, and support their efforts, but it's not enough. There are too many "truckers" that just sit back and think that it's someone else's concern.

Is a 1000 miles to much for a solo? No two people are alike, and only the person sitting in the seat can answere that question.. I say if your tired, shut it down. That simple....

Everything today is connected to MONEY!!

 

[RichM]

RE: be united,chalenge dot low's,if you do not lik

Wolf This website is not designed to encourage people to break laws,even though YOU don't like them. Read into that whatever you like but try to contiue posting in a more positive mode.

 

[letzrockexpress]

RE: be united,chalenge dot low's,if you do not lik

I definitely second that....complain about the laws you don't like to someone who can do something about them but c'mon, let's not encourage illegal activity!!!!

 

[Broompilot]

RE: be united,chalenge dot low's,if you do not lik

The others post on here are correct. Example $ now makes our laws, corporations are screwing us royal by buying votes from our elected officials. Thus I do my best to never give anyone in office there seat back. Greed is what is running this country now, ethics, whats good for the citizens is all out the window. Does anyone else see this or is this just my opinion?

Now as for us doing what they do in Europe, here is the problem and why I see it will never work. BIG BUSINESS you know that loan you got, and are not months ahead on the payments. Can you afford to take two or three months off to boycott? For this reason is why the banks know to keep us working they want to convince you its in your best intrest to be in debt up your neck or beyond. BIG BUSINESS do not fall prey to there advertising and methodoligy, its not in your favor.

Think about it for a minute, if ones truck were paid for or enough saved up this could happen. We could bring America and Busch to a standstill. Nice thought at least I think it was. So we will just continue to make our payments and wo is me will have to be the solution, when it is really our own faults cause we are to blame for our own decisions of buying right to the limits like the Banks love us to do.

Got a better solution?

 

[Jefferson3000]

RE: be united,chalenge dot low's,if you do not lik

Remember that expedite is very different than truckload freight. You could have a 2000 mile load in TL freight, because you may have 4 days to meet your destination. Normally in expedite there is no time for that, unless you have a weekend inbetween. If the HOS regs were to change back to something similar to what they were previously, I'm sure your carrier would be just as happy as you are about it. It makes their job easier when they need to find a truck that is close by. The carrier isn't trying to spoil your fun or hamper your income. They do have to obey the law.

Drive Safe!

Jeff

Driver for 15 years
O/O for 13 years
OOIDA #829119

 

[greg334]

RE: be united,chalenge dot low's,if you do not lik

Wolf,
I for one understand where you are coming from and know what you are saying but we have to look at things a little differently here than we do in Eastern Europe. Not saying your ideas and thoughts have no business here, they actually do and for me are welcomed as part of the bigger picture of diverse ideas on EO but there are several differences that I see why they are taken to mean to some that there is an impossible task to change things for the better and that we are better to have OOIDA to do the work for us. Sorry for those who don’t agree with me, but this is what I am reading into the comments.

But the point made about running illegal is a problem for all and in this case because we work and live in a regulated industry, running illegal is not the way to protest the laws. As mentioned there are ways to change things.

Simply put, we as a regulated industry with the fractured workforce, face a never ending battle against the very people we are serving over safety and pollution. Just the other day there was a news article about a coalition of safety advocate groups pushing for more restrictions on trucks because of 5000 fatalities last year. Now in the bigger scheme of things, 5000 people dying on the highways is nothing compared to the overall deaths on the road but because it involved a truck, we must make trucks safer by any means. Running illegal brings focus to the need to both come up with stricter laws and to enforce those laws by increased means which in turn means fewer rights for us in the long run. The fight alone over the HOS is a great illustration and even the back tracking of the ATA with their recent ‘we must reconsider things for the solo driver’ position makes me wonder why I am the only one talking about this (in a frustrated voice).

Now we have been on the OOIDA marry-go-round several times and some still think that it is the OOIDA only they will make a difference, which is wrong. It takes more than you just sending in your dues and sitting back, but actually getting involved with things politically, join the OOIDA PAC, take the time to call, fax, email, snail mail and V I S I T your representatives - oh and VOTE. If you don’t vote, don’t bother they know you didn’t vote. When people start with the basics, it matters.

Wolf is completely right about something else, something many seemed to miss and I am very glad he pointed it out – we have no candidates that have been truckers in our political system. I mean that we have no former career truckers anywhere I can find running for state or federal anything. Anyone want to step up to the plate here and be one? Phil?

Oh and one last thing, in the past I have been involved with another political organization like the OOIDA, which I will not mention. It seems to me that they had a similar problem and was trying to get their numbers up to help their collective vioce. There was something that they did that actually made a difference, I know that this is a stretch but how willing are the OOIDA member ready to help increase the memberships by paying for 2 new members to get them to join? Of course in the other case, there was an ‘gentleman’s’ agreement that the person would either pay for two more years on their own or become a life member with the life membership discount worked out with the organization. Just a thought!

 

[Jayman]

RE: be united,chalenge dot low's,if you do not lik

"The name of the game is now MONEY.. Who has it, and who is connected to it.. Who can throw their weight one way or another to get what they want.."

"Everything today is connected to MONEY!!"

I dont think this is a new problem... But, I will play devils advocate for a moment. If I had a lot of money and I was financing something whether it be a business or a country through my tax dollars...I would insure I got my way too. LOL If I paid $150k in taxes every year, someobody who only paid $500 would be inline behind me. Sorry.

 

[nightcreacher]

RE: be united,chalenge dot low's,if you do not lik

Wolf
My co-driver is from Armenia,he has been here in this country just 4 years,so he cant get his citizenship as yet,but he can't wait 'til this happens.He truely loves this country,he's brought his family here,but you know, he doesn't understand the laws we go by in trucking.He met a Russian driver one night when we were in Arizona,this guy told him how he ran solo,out of Chicago,round trip to LA and back every week,and the Russian guy he worked for,paid him $1000.00 per week for his driving. That made a big impression on my driver,even though he made the same money just for going one way.When I showed him what could happen running illegal,he had a different perspective on running solo.
This forum isn't here to teach people how to run illegal,but to help them with different aspects of expediting.
Granted,the DOT laws and HOS laws might be more of a monetary thing ,rather than safety,but the only way to change these laws,is to run legal.Run 100% legal,the customers freight will be late,or not even picked up.When you have a 10 am appointment,and your going to be there 2 or three hours early,just from running the legal speed limit,why break the speed laws,just to sit in a truck stop.
Running legal and compliant will get the laws changed,the shippers and receivers will get involved,and the best part,we as expediters,will have more freight to haul,and our companies don't ask us to run illegal.
Wolf,if you cant handle this,then you need to get into another industry.

 

[RichM]

RE: be united,chalenge dot low's,if you do not lik

Greg I believe there is a Senator from Colorado,Ben Thompson that was a Owner Operator at one time. The name might be off somewhat.

 

[Dog_House2691]

RE: be united,chalenge dot low's,if you do not lik

DONT HAUL CHEAP FRIEGHT,AND RUN COMPLIANT!

 

[nightcreacher]

RE: be united,chalenge dot low's,if you do not lik

Greg
If a person wanting to join ooida gives a members Id number he or she will get $25.00 off the membership,but I agree with you,just being a member,means nothing.If you dont work with ooida,your just going along for the ride.
Another thing,our government knows that the biggest part of the truck drivers don't even vote,they aren't even regestered to vote.I have stated many times,truck drivers dont need to strike,or even take time off work,just run legal,legal speed,legal hos,just be compliant,and see how fast,the HOS rules change.
It's funny,and no one is smart enough to think of this,but,when the government,gave the states the right to make their own speed laws,you know what was the first thing they did right after that,raised the fuel taxes,in every state,you know why,faster trucks burn more fuel,get less fuel mileage,means pay more taxes.This alone is a reason to slow down.I have always had drivers lisc.problems,the price of fuel slowed me down,if i get a ticket now,it's for driving to slow.buut my fuel mileage is up,and I'm saving money.It's to bad that most of the truckers today only know mileage,they think if they can avg 60mph thats 660 miles a day,but what good is that,if your deliver is 660 miles away,and you have 2 days to get there.
I can go on and on,so I'm going to quit while i'm ahead.
Run compliant,that will change the laws.

 

[joebob1_30132]

RE: be united,chalenge dot low's,if you do not lik

Im with you Wolf ...unforrtunatly you missed the hard working hard fightng americans by a generation or two..you are now talking to only the benifactors of that generation. The new americans get to coast in the cart that was pulled up the hill by their fathers and grandfathers. The Americans you now deal with are sitting in their living rooms in front of their tvs and with cell phones in hand.. whine and complain in one beathe about the man and big corporations and government and in the same breathe are saying Gm give me Ford give me Clinton give me Bush give me.
No wolf you have some of us here. who left our mommas only to look for someone else to replace her. Im sorry wolf..we wernt raised like kids in third world countries. We have fast food , tvs in every room cellphones, and more than two cars..
But wolf you know what else we have that no one else in the worldhas more of ... you got it!!! OPPORTUNITY (its hard for some to see from a view from behind mommas skirt)to be anthing we aspire to be ..and yet from our couches in temperature controlled climates we ##### it away and sit and b*tch about someone not doing for us .. and how much they owe us..and they lied and they cheated and waa waa wwaa
You have some here wouldnt know a fight if it punched them in the nose.
we are not self suffiecient independent,fighters .or . we havnt had to fight for anything,.
fight the good fight brother.. i got your back...and when they step on your neck ..they will get my finger in their eye

 

[LDB]

RE: be united,chalenge dot low's,if you do not lik

Breaking the law isn't the way to get things changed. I respect the law, even the parts I don't like or agree with. I work to change them by voting and working with the groups that want the same sensible changes I do. That sort of change is what we need, not anarchy.

You may have run 1000 miles without stopping. You may have run 1000 miles without stopping 100 different times. You may do it again another 100 times. Eventually you are going to screw up or get caught in someone else's screwup. Running 1000 miles without stopping is pushing farther than a person is equipped to go. You may not like the limitations as they are but they are there to keep just this sort of thing from happening. Eventually somewhere around mile 937 you are going to be too tired and too slow to respond either to your own problem or somebody else's that happens right in front of you. Just because you've avoided the inevitable so far doesn't mean it won't eventually get you and that applies to anyone else being so stupid to run two logs and too many hours.

I appreciate what you went through to get here and the viewpoint that has given you. It just isn't the right way or the smart way to do things here.

Leo Bricker, 73's K5LDB, OOIDA Life Member 677319
Owner, Panther trucks 5508, 5509, 5641
Highway Watch Participant, Truckerbuddy
EO Forum Moderator
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Support the entire Constitution, not just the parts you like.

 

[RLENT]

RE: be united,chalenge dot low's,if you do not lik

I believe there is a Senator from Colorado,Ben Thompson that was a Owner Operator at one time. The name might be off somewhat.

Would it have been Ben Whitehorse Campbell ? Cool guy.

 

[simon says]

RE: be united,chalenge dot low's,if you do not lik

Several points come to mind here. There have not been big struggles in the US over anything in at least 15-20 yrs. A lot of union-busting and other struggles in the Reagan era, was followed by Clinton sticking the knife in further while putting on the long face, then a so-called boom in the 90's. Now we have the emperor with no clothes.
It has created a dog-eat-dog world, and folks don't see how to change things. The unions are worthless giveaway bureaucracies that help companies close their dooors. The store-front preachers are trying to rack up followers, and take us back to the middle ages. Both parties are in the pockets of big business.
OOIDA talks the talk, but that's about it. The one thing they are right about is this: if you haul cheap freight ( and many expedite co.'s are guilty of this spot-bid crap ) you lose. This is why we are becoming more like regular truckers anymore. Look at the ad for Expedite Solutions: drive my truck you former Swift husband & wife team,and make $50,000? WHAT IS THAT? PEANUTS!

The origins of expedited freight was the auto industry. Now it is going down the toilet, and we must haul other freight or run the Canadian auto freight- which is cheap now also. I try not to take the cheap freight, unless it serves my purpose to move.

On the DOT regs: most of us have to follow the rules or we won't be driving for our companies very long. There are some companies who don't care, and they happen to be mostly Canadian. The new regs post Oct. 2005 were designed for one thing: increase productivity, period! Now it is on me to drive longer, thinking I will get more money. As an O/O, I do it willingly. That is where we are at amigo!

x(

 

[kangar0085]

RE: be united,chalenge dot low's,if you do not lik

Lol I love these conspirators they crack me up..."DON'T DO WHAT THE MAN TELLS YOU TO DO...REBEL" hahahah why don't you move to Europe and break regulations and put people at risk over there Einstein.

 

[kangar0085]

RE: be united,chalenge dot low's,if you do not lik

Maybe you should be a little more thankful that this country accepted you and gave you a great opportunity ....look at what you're doing wrong you'll have better luck changing yourself then the "corrupt" system, no matter how impossble that might seem from my angle.