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Broompilot

Veteran Expediter
Does anyone know of the company (ies) that manufacture these?

An APU I know they are not, but dependable for some applications they are.

I would not put one on my truck if I were in Expediting but for over the road T.T. I think it might be a better fit for me than all of the upkeep of an APU.

Thanks in advance.
 

greg334

Veteran Expediter
Does anyone know of the company (ies) that manufacture these?

An APU I know they are not, but dependable for some applications they are.

I would not put one on my truck if I were in Expediting but for over the road T.T. I think it might be a better fit for me than all of the upkeep of an APU.

Thanks in advance.
I don't remember the company but Espar of michigan sells them.
 

arrbsthw

Expert Expediter
i think Dometic has an a/c that runs off batteries only. It charges back up when truck is running. Saw it at the truck show last year.
 

Turtle

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Retired Expediter
Actually, I think he still sells the DC Airco, but has moved to a more efficient system made by Dirna, of Spain. Grupo de empresas Dirna S.A. and Bycool Evaporative Cab cooler will get you there.
It's the ByCool system. They have one that's compressor driven, and one that's evaporative cooling (not for humid climates, like the midwest or south). Here's the PDF brochure for the MiniCool Compact: http://www.bycool.com/minicoolcompact_eng.pdf

That's what he had on display at the Expedite Expo last year.

Dirna, BTW, makes the air conditioners that are to be found in the Sprinters. The passenger vans with the aux air conditioner for sure, not positive about the main AC, tho.
 

Broompilot

Veteran Expediter
I appriciate everyones comments above: The swamp AC just in what I reserached will not work to much battery draw and inside the sleeper?

Everyone else I also researched what you gave: Thanks I will be hopefully in contact with one of our sponsors here for more info, gotta stay cool in the summer with as little of out of pocket as possible.

Thanks again appriciate what EO and its posotive members contribute to this site!
 

Turtle

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Take a close look at the Swampy coolers. For the most part, they're not gonna work.
The evaporative coolers are worthless if the humidity is above 40%, and the ice models work by you filling a cooler with ice and then blowing cold air over it. I've seen both in operation, and was thoroughly unimpressed. They will cool a little, 10-15 degrees in some cases, a little more in certain situations, but the only thing they cool is whatever the fan is blowing directly onto. If you have a really large ice chest and like filling it with ice, often, the Swampy's are for you. :)
 

EASYTRADER

Expert Expediter
dometic make a rooftop ac that I believe is 10amps at full power it is a 10000 btu unit.

That is pretty efficient with a high quality inverter and a couple of deepcycle batteries you ought to be able to sit for a couple of days. especially if you could set up a tjermostat to cycle it of and on. I saw the unit online at camper world.

that ac and an espar heater should take care of driver comfort needs at about half the price of an APU
 

layoutshooter

Veteran Expediter
Retired Expediter
10AMP per hour draw will run down most good deep cycle batteries in 10-12 hours. The math is simple. If you have a 100AMP capacity battery and pull 10AMPS per hour it will last 10 hours. There are some other variables but that will give you a very close ball park on run times. Battery AC units will only work if you can re-charge your batteries often. The batteries will wear out fast as well. Layoutshooter
 

redytrk

Veteran Expediter
Charter Member
A few years back Bentz installed battery A/C systems in a fleet of trucks. Kieth Bentz said he would let me know how they turned out. Six months later when I asked, he said the drivers were very unhappy. Seems they would wake up at about 2AM in a "pool of sweat"

I believe the units were made by Duo Therm, and had 3 Deep Cycle Batteries under the bunk.
 

RLENT

Veteran Expediter
Six months later when I asked, he said the drivers were very unhappy. Seems they would wake up at about 2AM in a "pool of sweat"

I believe the units were made by Duo Therm, and had 3 Deep Cycle Batteries under the bunk.
Well *ell ..... I wake up in a pool of sweat when it's a cold out .... just part of getting older I guess .... :D

Frankly I don't think that if the cooling capacity of the AC unit is adequate to whatever space you are trying to cool (considering heat gain etc.) the power source matters little - except for the fact that you are likely running other gear (refrigerator/freezer, microwave, etc.) and that can add up to some power drain over time - so ya gotta have a big enough bank (remembering that you don't want go below a 50% depth of discharge to preserve the life of the batteries)

The biggest problem with most of the 12v DC AC units is that they are **mned expensive ($5K) .... when ya compare them to 110v AC rooftop units (under $1K)

Attached is a pic of my set up - three Walmart deep-cycles with 375 amps capacity (187.5 amps effective) running an AIMS 2000w pure sign wave inverter.

The longest I have gone before hitting the 50% DOD floor is about 35 hours (running just a small refrig/freezer, microwave, and the Espar) - that was over a weekend (a cold one in Montreal) I'll probably shoehorn another battery in there for total capacity of 450 amps (225 effective)

Kudos to the Turtle for his technical advice and consulting.
 

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Turtle

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The problem that Benz and many others have is they look at the amp draw and then look at the batteries, say a 10 amp draw and a 100 amp hour battery and it should last 10 hours. But it doesn't. The Peukert effect makes the simple math worthless. It's like MPG, the faster you suck amp hours out of a battery, the few available amp hours you have.

A 100 amp hour battery with a 10 amp draw becomes an 81.23 amp hour battery (or, the 10 amps actually become 12.31 amps, same thing). But that's draining the battery dry, which will dramatically shorten the lifespan of the battery, and that's assuming really high-end true-deep cycle batteries. If it's a truck battery, which is a hybrid (like a marine battery), the lifespan is even shorter. In either case, if you run a battery down to the point where lights dim, inverters scream, air conditioners silently stop running, because of the amount of lead sulfate that has been stripped off the lead plates of the batteries, the best you can hope for is to recharge them to perhaps 90 amp hours, and that's assuming that you are recharging them properly. Most trucks will have a 30 amp charger for batteries, so the simple math will tell you that it takes 3 hours to put back 30 amps hours into the battery, except the Peukert Effect works in reverse, too, plus there's the resistance factor as the batteries start to get near fully charged. They might be as much as 85-90% fully charged after 3 hours, but it might take another 2-4 hours to get that last little bit of amp hours back in there.

The Dometic 10,000 BTU air conditioner is 10 amps, but that's at 120 volts AC, which translates to 110 amps at 12 volts. In order to run that for 8 hours you would need 1100 amp hours of batteries, and in order to keep from running the batteries down below 50% Depth of Discharge, you'd need 2200 amp hours of batteries. That's a lot of batteries. 1100-1200 pounds worth, easy. That's why 1500 watt electrical space heaters don't work out here, either. :)


Most 12-volt DC air conditioners will draw somewhere between 20 and 40 amps (half load and full load), at 12 volts. Most of the time, except during really hot days in someplace like Laredo, you'd run it at full load for 30-60 minutes to cool things down, then the rest of the time at half load to keep it cool. A rule of thumb for those air conditioners is to figure a 25 amp draw over the course of 8 hours. In that case, 250 amp hours of batteries will last 8 hours, and you'd need 500 amp hours of capacity to keep the batteries above the 50% DoD, assuming those batteries have no other duties. If the batteries run lights, fridge, whatever, you'd have to add those amp hour requirements to the numbers, then double it to keep things at 50% DoD.
 
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RLENT

Veteran Expediter
Here's another one - Red DOT - originally based out of Seattle (interesting place for an AC manufacturer .... ) They make larger models as well as the one I linked below - I'm waiting on my local distributor to call me back with pricing:

R-6100 Rooftop AC Unit
 

Rocketman

Veteran Expediter
I would be intertested in the pricing as well when you get it. It looks like they have a good dealer network setup. I would definitely be interested if it is capable of keeping the truck cool. The amp draw doesn't look to be prohibitive as with the ac rooftop units. Turtle?
 

Tennesseahawk

Veteran Expediter
Jay (Critter) is running a DC rooftop unit with 8 golf cart batteries. The company that set it up said it will last 10 hours before needing to be charged. The truck has a larger alternator than normal. A Webasto takes care of the heat at 1 gal/15 hours. I'm curious to see how well it works.
 

LDB

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Retired Expediter

The website lists the current drain as 33 amps at 13.6 volts. Turtle will have to weigh in but that sounds like it uses up a 100 amp battery (to the safe 50% level) in about 90 minutes. It appears that until there's a 200%-300% improvement in efficiency either in batteries or 12v a/c units or a combination of both that they aren't ready for prime time as the saying goes.
 

RLENT

Veteran Expediter
Turtle will have to weigh in but that sounds like it uses up a 100 amp battery (to the safe 50% level) in about 90 minutes.
Ahhhh ..... he already did Leo ... read his post above ..... and you will be enlightened.
 
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