barry now repeating Depression-era mistakes

chefdennis

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Well no one can say we weren't warned, the economist that are telling barry just what he wants to hear have said this for months..but hey, barry knows whats best, him and timmy and summers and ben...the rest, well they are just racist because they don't agree with barry...but here is a fincial writer and advisor/planner that see's barrys efforts for what they are....

KAHLER: Washington now repeating Depression-era mistakes

http://www.rapidcityjournal.com/business/article_4945af76-bf6a-11de-be34-001cc4c03286.html

Republican Herbert Hoover and Democrat Franklin D. Roosevelt would both feel right at home in today's Washington.

In an article in the London Telegraph, economists Charles Rowley of George Mason University and Nathanael Smith of the Locke Institute suggest there are "troubling similarities" between the current administration's actions and those in the 1930s that sent the United States and much of the world spiraling into the Great Depression.

Hoover and Roosevelt made four big mistakes:

Increasing government spending, running huge deficits, with the hope that the increased spending would give jobs to the unemployed.
Raising income taxes on the rich with the hope that tax revenues would increase to fund the huge deficits.
Raising tariffs on foreign goods coming into the country, with the misguided notion that doing so would protect American jobs.
Allowing the banks to fail and raising interest rates.

President Barack Obama and Congress have made varying degrees of three of those same mistakes.
"The prognosis is catastrophic if projected government policies are not cut back," say Rowley and Smith. According to President Obama, in 2009 the federal budget deficit (our national overspending rate) will be $1.6 trillion. This accounts for 11.2 percent of the overall economy, and it's all borrowed money. It's the highest overspending rate by our government since World War II.

As a result of our deficit spending, our national debt has doubled from $5 trillion to more than $10 trillion in just a few years. The current administration wants to add even more debt with national health care, cap and trade taxes on carbon emissions, and possibly a third stimulus bill. If these proposals pass, the national debt will double again by 2019 and will represent 76.5 percent of the overall economy.

Our debt was similar to countries like England, Switzerland and the Netherlands, which have national debts 40 percent to 50 percent of their overall economy. Our new debt level will be similar to those of Greece, Italy and Jordan. Rowley and Smith say such a high national debt will guarantee "the international reserve status of the U.S. dollar will not survive."

As other countries begin to react to our deteriorating financial stability, they will begin to pull their investments out of the U.S. This will result in the dollar continuing to weaken and interest rates rising, which will leave Congress no choice but to either increase taxes or slash spending. In my mind, there is no question that the current president and Congress will raise taxes.

"In such circumstances, the U.S. economy will teeter on the edge of a black hole," Rowley and Smith say.

This brings us to the second "big mistake" that helped to create the Depression-higher taxes. One of the largest tax increases in our history is scheduled to happen in 2011. Many experts predict the taxes for small businesses will increase around 33 percent. This will mean people and businesses have less to spend, exacerbating our economic problems, stagnating the economy and guaranteeing the jobless rate remains high.

Hoover tried to protect U.S. jobs by raising tariffs (taxes) on imported goods. Obama, while promising world leaders not to become protectionistic, has gradually raised tariffs on an array of imports, including a 35 percent tariff on tires imported from China.
The fourth mistake has been avoided, probably due to Federal Reserve Chairman Ben Bernanke doing everything in his power to not replicate the mistakes made in the Great Depression.
No one can predict whether or when we may face another downturn in the economy and stock market. What this investment adviser is sure of is that, without a change in our economic policies, our economy will flounder for many years to come.
Rick Kahler, CFP, is a fee-only financial planner and author. Follow him on Twitter @RickKahler. Contact him at [email protected] or 343-1400.


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layoutshooter

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This is what happens when history is NOT taught in school. Barry and Co. have NO idea in the world what is going on.
 

jimby82

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The trouble is, History is taught in schools, but it is a watered down "version" full of revisionist theories and "half-truths"


  • The "Progressives" saved us from the terrible "Robber Barons".
  • FDR saved us from the Great Depression with his alphabet soup of government agencies and social programs.
  • Kennedy was the greatest president EVER!
  • Nixon was a terrible president and couldn't get anything done.
  • Reagan was a feeble old man and Nancy really ran the show!
At least that it what some are teaching now!:mad:
 

layoutshooter

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What I meant about teaching history was teaching what happened, NOT opinion. You are correct. What is taught as history is "liberal fluff" that bears little resemblence to reality.
 

jimby82

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Yep. We would do well to heed what has befallen prior civilizations. (see Rome for starters) We are no different. It would be highly presumptions on our part to think we are somehow "different" or "special" and those things that have happened before can't or won't happen to us. History DOES repeat itself. Sadly, we don't seem to be listening.
 

layoutshooter

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Yes, and it seems to repeat faster each time. The result of not learning what history teaches us. Things will get very bad here if we continue down this path. Very bad.
 

greg334

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Just remember one very very important thing;

The theories that Obama, Hoover and FDR among other presidents, ran the country by were created by a guy John Keynes who grew up in a repressive society - the United Kingdom of the latter 19th century.

He never knew the freedoms that places like the United States offered, his parents, one of which was a "social reformer" shaped his thinking and it was his mindset that the progressive mind grasped and held on tight as the only way to correct and run an economy.

If you studied the Keynesian theories and apply it to the different social practices modern times in the different countries, you can see why we are in such a mess we are today.

Deficit spending does not work.
 

layoutshooter

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The problem now Greg is that many of our fellow countrymen are more than willing to give up the very freedoms that made this country what it is. This is a new chapter in history. If we continue down this road we will become the FIRST country in history to give up freedom and accept being ruled by a government. Oh how very sad that is.
 

chefdennis

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one issue we face is that alot of American people in the younger generation can not place value on anything...there parents made sure that they had everything they wanted and they never worked for much of anything...if it is free, they don't care where it comes from, they want it...and that is exactly why alot of people are willing to give up their lives to be controlled by the government to get the "entitlement progams" the libs want to give them.....you are exactly right Layout,...

many of our fellow countrymen are more than willing to give up the very freedoms that made this country what it is. This is a new chapter in history. If we continue down this road we will become the FIRST country in history to give up freedom and accept being ruled by a government. Oh how very sad that is.

previous generations would never consider this....but i fear thatalot of this current group of 30's on down will.......
 

greg334

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But see the idiot public today may be willing to give up freedoms, but when it comes down to it they will still be faced with the same issues of insecurity and problems they face today. The people who are quick to hand over the future are the same ones that flood the suicide hotlines that the states setup because of the mortgage "crisis" and the hiking of interest rates on variable rate loans - they don't know how to coup.

Layout, we will be the second country in history that is willing to give up freedom for security, the first was Germany 1934. If you really really want to see what our country will look like soon, research the everyday history of the UK from 1914 to 1939 - talk about a lack of freedoms. Until the start of the war and just after the beginning of it, it wasn't the best place for freedoms. I honestly think that Germany offered a bit more under Hindenberg than england did during the same time.
 

layoutshooter

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Yes Germany did give up a lot but their history was being ruled for hundreds of years. They NEVER started with freedom, it was reletivly new to that sociaty. We started without a monarchy or dictator. That is rather a strange consept in history.
 

greg334

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Actually Layout, we did have a king, George 10 something or 12 something if I am not mistaken. There was serious talk that Washington was to be crowned king when we won our independence but he turned it down, something like that general from Rome - forget his name.

We had most of the population who wasn't all that thrilled about breaking away from mother england to begin with, those people in the north east, those rabble caused all the problems. But in a poll conducted by the Tories in 1779, 20% wanted independence, 22% wanted to stay as a colony, 31% was undecided and 27% wanted more rum, tea and to be left alone.
 

layoutshooter

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Yes, we were rulled by England UNTIL we told them where to stick it. We were not a nation yet. As a Nation we have never been ruled. A point of discussion for sure but fact. Anyway, it is STILL amazing how we are just willing to throw it all away.
 

chefdennis

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Greg wrote:

But see the idiot public today may be willing to give up freedoms, but when it comes down to it they will still be faced with the same issues of insecurity and problems they face today. The people who are quick to hand over the future are the same ones that flood the suicide hotlines that the states setup because of the mortgage "crisis" and the hiking of interest rates on variable rate loans - they don't know how to coup.

Oh you ar absolutely right...they don't even see that the promises that they are being fed, just can't happen as they are being told they can....when they realize that the health insurance they are forced have and pay for isn't free, and that their taxes are going to go up to pay for all of these grand ideals they think are free (well the taxes will go up for those that work, for the welfare entitlement goup, live will go on) aqnd when all of this comes tumbling down on them, they will blame someone else and be calling those suicide hot lines and crying to anyone who will listen that whoever is in office is screwing them...they won't even realize that their messiah was the one who set them up.....
 

layoutshooter

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It was set up long before King PUTZ the 1st was elected. Barry is just the lastest in a long line of leftists who want to rule this country. Nothing new, just accellerating.
 

chefdennis

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oh yea those pulling the strings have been around longer then most here...barry is just the one that gets to throw the switch this time around....they go through periods of not much happening as the people pickup a bit of resistance, but then when they feel the time is right, their choosen pawn gets to open the switch and advocate for massive change for the good of the people.....
 

layoutshooter

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Well, NO MAN, other than myself, knows what is good for me. THAT is what freedom is. Self-determination. I will decide what my life will be like and Barry and Co. can just go suck an egg. They will lose that battle.
 

Mdbtyhtr

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First it was King George the 3rd.

Second, history has always been written by the victors, and as such, is only as they want to be remembered.

We are experiencing a generation of people that cannot wait and must have everything now, regardless of what it costs, both figuratively and metaphorically.

Ignorant people are easily led. Needy people are easily controlled.
Welfare is a means to enslave and control, it matters not whether it is for an individual or a large corporation.

Free people take nothing and provide for themselves by the fruits of their own labor, intellect and desire to succeed.
This independence is what we, as a people, are now lacking.

Scott
 

layoutshooter

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Freedom is a personal thing, I choose to be free and NOT accept their rule. They will have to use force to control me. How about you? Will you give into this or are do you wish to remain a free man? Just asking.
 

jimby82

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The Roman general (actually Dictator) was Lucius Quinctius Cincinnatus. In time of war, was put in charge of the armies, defeated his enemies, returned to Rome a hero (basically had absolute power at the time) and promptly resigned to return to his farm. One of my absolute favorite leaders in history.

Would anyone of our "leaders" today placed in his shoes do the same? Hope we never get to find out!

Washington has been compared to Cincinnatus. There were calls for him to be crowned King. He refused.
 
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