Babies or tissue?

[LDB]

No, I'm not the only one. Anyone who supports abortion, the termination of a human life, is saying it is meaningless. Perhaps not in those exact words, but saying it. If it had value it wouldn't be terminated. All the excuses are just that, excuses, diversions, nothing else.

 

[Turtle]

I've never met a woman who has had an abortion who thought her unborn child was meaningless.

 

[Dreamer]

I wil flat out say I look at this issue with emotion, that is not entirely due to my religious beliefs.

I have 3 close friends who miscarried. All 3 of them mourn children lost....not tissue. I've seen personally how it changed their lives.
2 of them still honor the day of their child's death.


At 3 to 4 months or less, they don't mourn their tissue loss....


Dale
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[layoutshooter]

I would have to guess solar or wind power is safer...total guess but no pesky radioactive waste, nuclear meltdowns.

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Wind is expensive and they often gut the tops of mountains, destroying 10's of thousands of tree, using powerful herbicides to keep them from coming back, taking out all kinds of wildlife habitat, poluting the water with the herbicides, to save the environment. Not to mention all the raptors they kill.

Solar is VERY dirty to produce contributing to just as much other kinds of polution than they save. Good ides.

 

[pandora2112]

There are wind structures on flat lands where farming, etc still occurs...the structures are tall enough to not need the plants around it destroyed by pesticides.
Solar power I would have to look into, but my ex is a survivalist nut...he's built a small windmill and solar panels for fairly cheap with no dirty waste that can produce quit a bit of power. He currently doesn't have it intergrated into his house power but has it hooked up to some battery pack that he can run things off of if he had a power outage.

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[aquitted]

I haven't seen anyone bring in the over population issue to this argument. There are far and away too many people in the planet. Sustainability is a real problem. 2 Billion people on the planet in 1940. Approximately 9 Billion in 2010. Not enough food. Dirty air. Irresponsible mothers and fathers. Carbon Dioxide is serious threat to out existence. Abortion is just one part of much larger conversation we need to have...

Your Right! We are over populated with people and expeditors so I elect we save the baby and kill you! Problem solved killed 2 birds with one bullet one less human one less expeditor means more air and more freight for us all. I will even do my part by pulling the trigger. Just Sayin.

 

[Turtle]

Your Right! We are over populated with people and expeditors so I elect we save the baby and kill you! Problem solved killed 2 birds with one bullet one less human one less expeditor means more air and more freight for us all. I will even do my part by pulling the trigger. Just Sayin.

If LRE is ever shot, you're now at the very top of a very long list of suspects.

 

[aquitted]

I always have A pot of coffee on every time five-o comes with a search warrant or to ask questions. They always bring silver hand and ankle bracelets for me to try on.

 

[Ragman]

If LRE is ever shot, you're now at the very top of a very long list of suspects.

 

[psm127_dad]

I wil flat out say I look at this issue with emotion, that is not entirely due to my religious beliefs.

I have 3 close friends who miscarried. All 3 of them mourn children lost....not tissue. I've seen personally how it changed their lives.
2 of them still honor the day of their child's death.


At 3 to 4 months or less, they don't mourn their tissue loss....


Dale
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Dale,
I confess that this topic is very emotional for me as well. We had 2 miscarriages and one child who lived only 1 hour. Through those trying times we came to know many mothers (and dads too) that still feel tremendous loss and pain... odd that just an accidental blob of tissue could evoke such deep, long lasting feelings.

Believe it or not, the loss of our daughter who lived only 54 minutes did more to solidify my understanding of the depth of God's love towards mankind than any discussion/debate/argument or religious class or book ever could. Now God's grace and comfort are just as experientially real to me as the law of gravity.

 

[cheri1122]

I wil flat out say I look at this issue with emotion, that is not entirely due to my religious beliefs.

I have 3 close friends who miscarried. All 3 of them mourn children lost....not tissue. I've seen personally how it changed their lives.
2 of them still honor the day of their child's death.


At 3 to 4 months or less, they don't mourn their tissue loss....


Dale
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In the abstract, I can organize my thoughts and make a decision without allowing emotion to cloud my judgement - but when it's personal: not a chance.
That's why policy should be made in the abstract, because emotions [and hormones!!!] can distort our thinking.

I bet the pro life protesters who picketed a clinic never thought that one couple they tried to shame were terminating the wife's fourth pregnancy - and the very much anticipated girl, after three boys. But the latest test had made it clear that the fetus would not [could not] survive much longer, and they thought it better to get it over with than live each day in dread, right? I watched the vid on Youtube, where the husband set them straight: sometimes, assumptions are just incredibly wrong. And assumptions are the protesters stock in trade.

 

[LDB]

And for every exception such as that how many dozens or hundreds or more are there that are just convenience? That's the problem with the bull**** liberal mind that justifies anything and everything so long as it satisfies the liberal desire to have anything they want and do anything they want and nevermind there could be unwanted consequences.

 

[cheri1122]

And for every exception such as that how many dozens or hundreds or more are there that are just convenience?

Damifino. But that's one of my points: you don't know either. You just make your assumptions, and the consequences be ****ed.

That's the problem with the bull**** liberal mind that justifies anything and everything so long as it satisfies the liberal desire to have anything they want and do anything they want and nevermind there could be unwanted consequences.

But it isn't the bull**** liberals holding the government hostage because they didn't get everything they wanted, and the consequences be ****ed, now, is it?
You're hilarious.

 

[LDB]

Well yes, it is actually, but that's a different topic to be wrong about.

 

[psm127_dad]

I bet the pro life protesters who picketed a clinic never thought that one couple they tried to shame were terminating the wife's fourth pregnancy - and the very much anticipated girl, after three boys. But the latest test had made it clear that the fetus would not [could not] survive much longer, and they thought it better to get it over with than live each day in dread, right? I watched the vid on Youtube, where the husband set them straight: sometimes, assumptions are just incredibly wrong. And assumptions are the protesters stock in trade.

Your assumptions about those who wish everyone had the right to choose life are just that... assumptions. In our case, we knew for foe close to 2 months that our daughter would never live long outside the womb. In fact, we knew that the longer the pregnancy went, the greater the danger was for my wife's life.

We willingly chose to allow our daughter to live as long as God would allow & trust the health/fate of my wife in His hands. If something is true then circumstances can not change the truth. Life is life. All life is valuable & should be cherished... If this is what you believe, then you understand our decision. Was it easy? Hell no!!!! The most trying time of our lives.

And, whether you choose to believe it or not, our daughters very short life had purpose & impact for 100's of people that we know of.

 

[Ragman]

Your assumptions about those who wish everyone had the right to choose life are just that... assumptions. In our case, we knew for foe close to 2 months that our daughter would never live long outside the womb. In fact, we knew that the longer the pregnancy went, the greater the danger was for my wife's life.

We willingly chose to allow our daughter to live as long as God would allow & trust the health/fate of my wife in His hands. If something is true then circumstances can not change the truth. Life is life. All life is valuable & should be cherished... If this is what you believe, then you understand our decision. Was it easy? Hell no!!!! The most trying time of our lives.

And, whether you choose to believe it or not, our daughters very short life had purpose & impact for 100's of people that we know of.

The key word is chose. You had the choice what to do. Others ask for the same, choice.

 

[layoutshooter]

The key word is chose. You had the choice what to do. Others ask for the same, choice.

Far too many of the "others" don't only want "choice", they want those who are opposed to abortion to be FORCED to pay for it.

Just as responsible people are being FORCED to pay for others irresponsibility.

 

[Ragman]

Far too many of the "others" don't only want "choice", they want those who are opposed to abortion to be FORCED to pay for it.

Just as responsible people are being FORCED to pay for others irresponsibility.

Payment is another subject altogether.

 

[layoutshooter]

Payment is another subject altogether.

Not in this country. Right now, under Obama Care, we are being FORCED to pay for insurance that we don't need or want. Like OBG/new born care. WHY?

The "abortion crowd", for the most part, has NO problem FORCING others to pay for it. Just as the "socialist/Marxist" crowd have NO problem forcing responsible people to pay for the irresponsibility of others.

IF they wanted freedom, they would ONLY be pushing for access to abortion and would not be pushing for public funding. Same for artificial contraception. Anything to relieve others of personal responsibility.

 

[aquitted]

Father in heaven you see the imoral posts and the posts of those ignorant of your word these people don't know what they don't know and I really don't know how to explain in in a way they will understand. So father as you pulled me out of the gutter and all the evil I was involved in I ask you to speak to these hearts as only you can and do whatever it takes to turn their hearts to the Truth and the knowledge of Your Son Jesus the Christ who died for not just my sins but the sins of the whole world! What can wash away my sins? Nothing but the blood of Jesus. Oh precious is the flow that makes us white as snow. In Jesus name I pray Amen. SOMEBODY GIVE ME AN AMEN!!