Are you really an Independent Contractor?

Turtle

Administrator
Staff member
Retired Expediter
"QC,GPS tracking, that you pay for, is that being independent?"

Independent? By definition, no, it's not. But, then again, being an Independent Contractor is not the same as being autonomous. Having your own authority, that's independent.

"Can't a cell phone or nextel phone be used."

Yes, a cell phone can be used. Some carriers do, in fact, employ such devices instead of a Qualcom. Carriers who do not use GPS tracking tend to be smaller carriers with fewer trucks, where they can nearly keep track of where their fleet is dispersed in their heads. Carriers with larger fleets use GPS tracking to better serve the customers, as well as the independent contractors, by being able to more quickly and equitably handle loads.

A significant amount of time, not to mention horrific grammar, must be used to pick up the phone and ask, "Where are you at?"


Slow and steady, even in expediting, wins the race - Aesop
 

terryandrene

Veteran Expediter
Safety & Compliance
US Coast Guard
MikeD

What changes would you like your carrier or owner to institute that would give you the feeling of independence?
 

Tennesseahawk

Veteran Expediter
We've brought this up many times. Good discussions. There are companies that have various degrees of independance. Landstar lets you pick and choose, and find your own loads; but they have qc. Several smaller companies have no qc; but you're at the mercy of dispatch. Turtle is right... getting your own authority is the only way you're autonomous.

-True independence can only be gained if you're trully independant.
 

rollnthunder

Expert Expediter
The only thing i dont understand about qc is why there is such a price difference between carriers?Some are $15-$20 and some are $35 a week.You would think it would one price across the board.
 

Falligator

Expert Expediter
And don't forget about the insurance required...all said and done a driver pays about 120$ a week. also depends on which company you are with.


ShawnF
Panther
11997
O/O
 

greg334

Veteran Expediter
Oh boy, I just love this, maybe I should go back to contracting people out. Nah, too much trouble now a days.

OK, here is the deal; there is a huge difference between working as a contractor in a non-regulated industry and a regulated industry. We work in a regulated industry so we are bound to live by rules that are exempt from the 12 common rules – no way around this.

Many jump on this bandwagon of your not an independent contractor because;
They tell you, you must pick up a load
They tell you, you must deliver a load at a certain time
They tell you that you got to drive to make money (yes I am being sarcastic!)

The truth is there is a lot more to just being a contractor and being told what to do to have anything to be close to an employee. One company, I won’t mention it here, has hit the radar screen with crossing the line in their ‘benefits’ and been the subject of a couple newsletters on the subject of independent contractors. AND no it is not the CAT.

But I digress,

We must maintain insurance, both worker comp (here in lovely michicrap that is what it is called) and vehicle liability insurance for the vehicle and driver – no exceptions. But because we also have the fed DOT involved, I think we must carry liability insurance at different levels (Hazmat, no Hazmat), no exceptions and no choice. So, independent we still are.

Then we have the company requirements, they tell us before we accept their offer to be leased with them that we must have installed a Qualcomm or use X phone company in order to do business with them, and that does not affect the independence at all.

We then have their procedures, how to fill out the BOL, how we get paid and how we get dispatched, all alright and still does not affect the independence at all.

To sum this all up, we are contracted to do a job for the company and customer, which means that they are allowed to tell you certain things about the load offer, set limits like pick and delivery times and they can tell you to a point the manner in how to drive (federal safety laws trump the contractor thing at all times). They can force you to take a load by the way, because many companies have a quality of service requirement to be maintained; in service times and load acceptance is two important things for the company.

What they can’t tell you is how to drive, routes you take (unless it is a customer requirement or Hazmat), and really can’t hold it against you for hanging up on them after you refused to cross dock because you are able to take the load all the way through – amazing no one has caught on to this.

Just for the record, when you go from contracting to become a full independent owner operator by establishing your own operating authority, you are no longer a contractor.

When we placed people for disaster recovery work, we required them to purchase a laptop through the company that was used to meet the customer’s requirements. At times we required the contractor to get a certification or education for the contract we had and we could not pay a dime for any of it – it was their problem to pay for it, not ours. They were independent contractors and this was all legal.
 

Turtle

Administrator
Staff member
Retired Expediter
"What they can’t tell you is how to drive, routes you take (unless it is a customer requirement or Hazmat), and really can’t hold it against you for hanging up on them after you refused to cross dock because you are able to take the load all the way through – amazing no one has caught on to this."

Oh, I have. Definitely.

I'm on a run and pull over to take a quick nap, then get told I need to start moving. I tell them it'll be delivered on time. They tell me to get moving, anyway. As long as I get it there on time it's none of their business what I do along the way. If they want to make it their business, they can put me on the payroll.

I took a load into Canada, delivered to Hamilton, and had them tell me that I had to cross at Windsor because that's the proper routing from Columbus. It's 13 miles longer to go through Buffalo, and more tolls, but it's nearly an hour quicker. Sorry. As long as I get it there on time, how it gets there is irrelevant.

The other day I had a 950 mile run that they required, up front, a 5 hour break be taken. Fine. 350 miles into the run the decided that I didn't have enough time to take the break and get it there on time. I disagreed. Refused the swap, took a 6 hour break, and delivered it 3 hours early (only to have to sit there for 11 hours because they were closed and didn't open until the morning).

Leave me alone and let me do the job I've been contracted to do. All of the above is, at the very least, a slight crossing of the line between independent contractor and employee.

Slow and steady, even in expediting, wins the race - Aesop
 

greg334

Veteran Expediter
Turtle,
"All of the above is, at the very least, a slight crossing of the line between independent contractor and employee."

Not really, it is hand holding and bad business.
 

Turtle

Administrator
Staff member
Retired Expediter
I understand why they do it - they've been burned too many times by moron van drivers. I get it. The problem is, I'm not a moron.

And even though they've been working on it for years, they still have no mechanism in place to differentiate the morons from us really smarter peoples.

Slow and steady, even in expediting, wins the race - Aesop
 

greg334

Veteran Expediter
>I understand why they do it - they've been burned too many
>times by moron van drivers. I get it. The problem is, I'm
>not a moron.
>
>And even though they've been working on it for years, they
>still have no mechanism in place to differentiate the
>morons from us really smarter peoples.

Turtle,
you speak wisdom, the thing I see with a few companies is simply they just don't get it with the words 'termination of lease'. I have seen drivers just yell and scream and get away with it.
 

x06col

Veteran Expediter
Charter Member
Retired Expediter
US Army
They get by with it here too. For about three seconds.
 
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