Any panther van teams?

ATeam

Senior Member
Retired Expediter
... We have plenty of room and a sleeper so we don't see much difference except that we can go anywhere and feel more rested because if one of us gets tired we can switch driving at any time....

OMG! You two can sleep anytime you wish and keep the van moving too? And you don't get tired?

Ladies and Gentlemen, this is why vans need to be regulated and brought under the hours of service rules. I mean, how can we let this continue? Think of it! A well rested team keeping a vehicle moving on a long expedited run. How can such a thing be possible? Bring in the regulators, the day must be saved!!!
 
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ATeam

Senior Member
Retired Expediter
I agree with the wife though, we would want a dedicated sleeper space as we would be running like an actual team sometimes, where one of us would be driving while the other slept. (just like an ST or TT team)

That's the way to go, I believe. If you are going to be a team in a van, configure the van to maximize the substantial advantages team driving brings. Another tip is for both of you to get your security clearances as soon as you can after signing on with a carrier. Doing so will greatly increase the number and quality of runs you will be eligible to do.
 
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ATeam

Senior Member
Retired Expediter
What we're trying to figure out is just how much "personal" stuff we can get into a dedicated sleeper equipped sprinter. The list of stuff has begun, that which we think we'll need, and what we think we'll want as well.

It's good to think this through and to make lists. It's not good to commit to a firm personal-gear load plan before you take up life in a van. Commit instead to flexible load planning. Cut yourself some slack. No one gets their personal gear right the first time. It is an ongoing process for teams to outfit and re-outfit themselves for the road.

For starters, think about what you would take with you if you were going on a one month vacation. That will cover most if not all of the essentials. As other items are needed, most if not all of them can be purchased at Walmart or other easily found stores.

(Hint: Have money ready to spend for these things before you leave home.)

(Hint: Spend as little as possible at truck stops. You can get the same stuff elsewhere at far more reasonable prices.)

You can greatly increase your personal-gear load planning flexibility by planing one or two early trips home after you begin. Run for two or three weeks and head home to re-outfit your van. Run for a few weeks more and do the same.

Don't worry about what your carrier may think about this. Don't worry about proving yourselves to be hard workers in other people's eyes. You will be a married-couple, same-household team that wants to live and work on the road. Such teams are considered prized assets by all carriers. None in their right mind will give you grief for going home soon after starting.

As far as stuff at home goes, everyone does it different. Diane and I entered the business (fleet owner's straight truck) with no previous experience. We found someone to be a house sitter for the first year we were on the road. Finding expediting to be agreeable, we sold our house, cars and all household goods except keepsakes.

That left us with enough stuff to half-fill a small bedroom which we rent in a relative's house. The amount of stuff in that room has declined over the years as we go through it and find less and less of it worth keeping.

Zorry talked about taking it one day at a time and keeping an open mind. We had no clue that we would do so when we started expediting but ended up buying a house in a gated community in Florida. We use it as a vacation house and have nothing there that matters. It is nicely furnished but if a hurricane blew or flooded it away tomorrow, our lives would not be significantly affected. The important stuff is kept in the relative's house in Minnesota (our home state).

The best thing you can do for yourself in this planning stage of your expediting career is to go to a truck stop or otherwise make contact with van expediters. Ask them for a truck tour and take notes. Most expediters are happy to show off their trucks and techniques when asked. Expediters are known to talk for food. Buy them dinner and they will talk non-stop about their life and work on the road.

Actually, this is the second-best thing you can do. The first-best is to attend the Expedite Expo.

You are asking about personal gear but you will have to think about the cargo part of the van at some point. If you do a little searching here in the Open Forum, you will find some great, step-by-step posts written by seasoned vanners who are setting up new rigs. They even share photos! Good stuff, those posts.

Finally, something often left out of "what-do-we-bring?" lists is work gloves. Work gloves are essential. Start with a cheap pair. You will go through many sets of gloves in an expediting career. There will be plenty of time to develop your gloves preference as you go.

And one more suggestion, if I may. Join a fitness club. Specifically, join Anytime Fitness. Doing so opens you up to dozens if not hundreds of shower locations in each state and it is absolutely amazing how much better you will feel when you work out in a nice gym on a regular basis.

Diane and I have been on the road in a straight truck for nine years and only recently became Anytime Fitness members. We wish we would have done so years ago. Read more about how expediters are using fitness clubs here:

Anytime Fitness Thread

Gyms and Health Clubs

You don't have to wait to become an expediter to join a fitness club. If you are not a member already, become one now.
 
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ATeam

Senior Member
Retired Expediter
If it were up to me, it'd be an ST, with a real sleeper and more room for "stuff".

Minds change, and with them your options. While you absolutely need to respect your wife's comfort zone to succeed as an expeding team, you can surprise her once in a while too.

Think about a surprise weekend getaway. Have her pack for a two or three day weekend but don't use your car. Rent the biggest U-Haul or Budget or Penske rental truck you can find and drive it on your getaway.

Stay in hotels. There is no need to push the issue. But also plan a couple of meals and maybe even a shower at truck stops. Make a grocery stop on the way back home.

She may or may not be willing to try her hand at the wheel but this outing will give you both a partial idea of what it is like to drive and spend time in a straight truck on the road.

For information about life on the road in a big-sleeper straight truck, click the links below to see Diane's and my truck specs, and to read my daily blog.

See also: Expediter Blogs
 
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Dat1stChoice

Active Expediter
The beauty of easing her into a straight truck, I have an upper hand on. I work for a small hot shot company, and the owner is more than willing to let me use one of our ST's on the weekend to let her get some "comfort" in. We have a yard in a big industrial area that is pretty much a ghost town on the weekends for her to drive/park/back in. They're not quite as big as an expediter ST, but they are probably the biggest you can lease from Penske. They are "non-CDL" size, but very close to it. We're planning to start that this spring when we slow down at work again. We're also trying to get her out on trips with me. We only do regional stuff (usually) so its out and back in a day or 2, but I do on occasion end up on the road for days at a time. The kids are 15 and 17 so a night or 2 home alone is ok......

She's trying really hard to learn the business, and understand how it all works, but she wants to do this. I'm happy that she wants to, because its what I want to do as well. I caught her, she's taking notes on this and many other threads, so please keep up the pointers and suggestions.

D
 

ATeam

Senior Member
Retired Expediter
There are many wife expediters and solo females who would be delighted to visit with your wife by phone if she wishes. She can identify a few who she feels comfortable with and private message them to request a phone chat.
 

Dat1stChoice

Active Expediter
The cargo side of the vehicle, I've already got a good handle on. I drive a van now, and I know exactly how I would have set it up, unfortunately the boss did the work on it.......It works, but I don't like how few options I have for security and safety of cargo. I've looked into the back ends of sprinters, and I've made measurements, and plans for that.....its not gonna be cheap, but it will be SOLID.

I've already got the missus touring truckstops, and seeing the vehicles, as we get closer, we'll start talking to people in vans/sprinters as we see them. Usually around here, they sit for a while so they're bored and willing to talk. I feel bad for them sometimes, Denver sucks for van loads.

As far as personal stuff, we're very flexible on that because we know we'll be able to go places that ST and TT teams can't go....like laundromats, stores, and normal places that they don't let the big ones go. So we can deal with emergency "oops we should have gotten this" moments a little easier than some.

Big thank you to ATeam for all the advice and tips.......they are great, and helpful! Also to everyone else dropping in to the thread, thank you as well. Advice and pointers are always welcome......we have time, and the more we know now, the less we'll screw up then!
 

guido4475

Not a Member
Just a FYI- I cannot tell you how much more money I have made since selling my 2-skid van and buying a Spartan body van that can carry 3 skids.What a difference.I really think being able to carry 3 skids is a wise financial decision that should be considered.They do not happen often, 3 skid loads, but when they do, it can make the difference of getting out of a slower area or not.Or having the upper hand on a bunch of cargo vans around you.Sure, it may eliminate the sleeping space during a run, and may even require a motel room if a load cannot deliver until Monday on a Friday pickup, but this may sometimes be negotiated with the carrier for a possible motel room charge on the run.
 
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