Anti bullying speaker is a bully

Dynamite 1

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while the contents of the speech was not totally, shall we say rite, for this setting. it is however rite in the fact that we do have alot of religious folks out there who do rant and rave against the gay population, the pro choice population and many more. sometimes these holy people can be down rite mean and nasty. so, while adding this to this particular speech may have not been correct he did hit the actions of some religious groups on the head.
 

OntarioVanMan

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Yes..he was a little rough on the bible thumpers...but he made his point....the golden rule of "do unto others as others do unto you" seems not to apply to them so called "Christians" that ridicule the gay community....they can't take it when it thrown back at them...and they were "pansy asses" for walking out
 

skyraider

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Wise men speak because they have something to say; Fools because they have to say something"- Plato We must be carefull.
 

paullud

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There are groups like the Phelps that speak out against gays but for the most part it is not brought up unless asked.

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BigCat

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If you are talking about phelps from Westboro baptist church those guy don't wait until brought up, in fact they protest at military funerals and have a website called godhatesfags.

While I don't agree with gay rights they are all people. I will not treat them any different than anyone else. It is simply not how I was raised.
 

layoutshooter

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If you are talking about phelps from Westboro baptist church those guy don't wait until brought up, in fact they protest at military funerals and have a website called godhatesfags.

While I don't agree with gay rights they are all people. I will not treat them any different than anyone else. It is simply not how I was raised.

I am not sure what 'gay rights' are. Just as I have NO idea what 'women's rights' are. There are only 'rights', that are NOT issued by any government and equal to all. The very idea that the government can bestow certain 'rights' on certain 'groups' is unconstitutional and done ONLY to further divide the Nation.
 

OntarioVanMan

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I am not sure what 'gay rights' are. Just as I have NO idea what 'women's rights' are. There are only 'rights', that are NOT issued by any government and equal to all. The very idea that the government can bestow certain 'rights' on certain 'groups' is unconstitutional and done ONLY to further divide the Nation.

I think if some hadn't singled the certain groups out to begin with...there wouldn't be any need for Gay Rights, women rights. disabled rights....lets extend that to ethnic rights....we did a bang up job of denying these groups of fundamental rights in the first place... they just want to have the same rights as everyone else...
 

paullud

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If you are talking about phelps from Westboro baptist church those guy don't wait until brought up, in fact they protest at military funerals and have a website called godhatesfags.

While I don't agree with gay rights they are all people. I will not treat them any different than anyone else. It is simply not how I was raised.

Yeah those Phelps. The extremist groups like them are the ones that like to judge and hate people but all Christians get tossed into the same group as them.

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OntarioVanMan

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Well the laws used to say marriage between consenting couples...now you have states trying to change the wording to between a man and a woman...now that is government control thru religious lobbying...IMO
 

layoutshooter

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I think if some hadn't singled the certain groups out to begin with...there wouldn't be any need for Gay Rights, women rights. disabled rights....lets extend that to ethnic rights....we did a bang up job of denying these groups of fundamental rights in the first place... they just want to have the same rights as everyone else...

The things we see now are NOT being done to "insure" the protection of individual, fundamental rights. It is being done to divide the Nation, pit one group against the other, to make it easier to control the people.

No, some of these 'groups' don't want their rights, they want 'special treatment'. Which is what the government is encouraging, again, to create divisions. That is the entire idea behind 'protected groups', division.

"WE" did not deny anyone anything, SOME people and the government did. Much of the problems that many of those in the 'protected groups' are facing today, to a large degree, is of their own making. The more they see themselves as 'victims' and in 'need' of 'protection' the less they will have and their freedom lost.

Far too many who have been 'held back' have done OKEE DOKEE. We just never hear about it.

Example: Read the life story of Major General (R) Jerry Curry. Much like Obama in many ways. Born into a mixed race family at a time when the racial divides were far worse than they are today. Face tremendous discrimination in the '50's when he decided to become an officer in the military and go to OCS. He did not whine or complain. He just outperformed everyone else and had a magnificent career and life. There are millions more like him out there.

Jerry Curry / Homepage

Yet, we ONLY hear how it is impossible to 'rise above' this stuff as an individual and the the 'government' must 'step in' and help. BULL FEATHERS!

My grandparents faced discrimination when they immigrated here in the early 1900's. They, for the most part, ignored it and went about making a good life for themselves without the 'benefit' of 'government protection'. The lack 'government protection' is exactly why they did well.

It always boils down to one thing and one thing only, it is the responsibility of the individual to insure their own success. In other words, don't look for excuses, look for solutions. They are always there for those who seek them. Those who chose to be victims ONLY find failure and despair.
 

OntarioVanMan

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Lets not throw garbage into the fray.... when a gay couple want to get married and they can't even get a marriage license...who's fault is it?.... it is usually the bigotted white anglo saxon church going jerk asses that has made the laws....
When women weren't allowed to vote..it was their fault?.....White male rules....
 

layoutshooter

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Lets not throw garbage into the fray.... when a gay couple want to get married and they can't even get a marriage license...who's fault is it?.... it is usually the bigotted white anglo saxon church going jerk asses that has made the laws....

First off, a 'marriage license' was 'invented' by the 'government' to prevent black and white people from getting married. Second, the 'federal government' has NO business in the marriage game at all. The idea that the federal government should even get involved in marriage is, in itself, unconstitutional. They cannot give or take away rights.

The federal government IS the reason that rights are being lost.

I am not sure what 'garbage' you were talking about. Discrimination is the same regardless who is being discriminated against and why. The individual can always chose to rise above it or become a victim. The government WANTS us to be victims and seek their aid. it is how they control. Until we learn that lesson we will be subject to the government.
 

OntarioVanMan

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First off, a 'marriage license' was 'invented' by the 'government' to prevent black and white people from getting married. Second, the 'federal government' has NO business in the marriage game at all. The idea that the federal government should even get involved in marriage is, in itself, unconstitutional. They cannot give or take away rights.

The federal government IS the reason that rights are being lost.

I am not sure what 'garbage' you were talking about. Discrimination is the same regardless who is being discriminated against and why. The individual can always chose to rise above it or become a victim. The government WANTS us to be victims and seek their aid. it is how they control. Until we learn that lesson we will be subject to the government.

That is better explaining....sometimes you come across as kind of doofie.....LMAO

I didn't say it...honest....hehehehe
 

layoutshooter

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That is better explaining....sometimes you come across as kind of doofie.....LMAO

I didn't say it...honest....hehehehe


You have a bigger spelling problem than I. LOL!

I was only pointing out that, for the most part, people are impacted in a negative manner by their own choice. I can site you case after case of people who faced massive discrimination and did very well for themselves. The problem is that the 'government' and their propaganda arm, the 'free press', don't want you to hear about them. Why"? Their stories might inspire many to become productive on their own and no longer need cared for. In other words, they would lose control over those people.
 

OntarioVanMan

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You have a bigger spelling problem than I. LOL!

I was only pointing out that, for the most part, people are impacted in a negative manner by their own choice. I can site you case after case of people who faced massive discrimination and did very well for themselves. The problem is that the 'government' and their propaganda arm, the 'free press', don't want you to hear about them. Why"? Their stories might inspire many to become productive on their own and no longer need cared for. In other words, they would lose control over those people.

the spelling was deliberate buddy....lol

True....just like now...and back when women fought for their right to vote and be an equal, now gays have to stand up and fight big government to put them in their place...true?
 

LDB

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Whether the speaker has a valid point or not isn't the point here. The point here is that he, or maybe it's she since it has a husband, was addressing a group of teens at a journalism conference expecting a discourse on bullying. Now, they did get a good example of it but that's not what they expected and not what they should have gotten. The guy was a donkey and for our simple minded friends that has nothing to do with him other than calling him a 3 letter bad word that can't be used on the forum.
 

layoutshooter

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the spelling was deliberate buddy....lol

True....just like now...and back when women fought for their right to vote and be an equal, now gays have to stand up and fight big government to put them in their place...true?

Nope, wrong. Women NEVER fought to be equal, just special. They wanted the 'right' to vote, but NONE of the responsibilities that men have. Like getting drafted. They wanted 'equal pay' even if they are unable to do the work. Equal needs to be just that, equal in EVERY respect. When there are exceptions, ANY exceptions, it is just a form of government approved discrimination.

Get the Feds OUT of our lives and things will improve at a much faster rate. The Feds are holding things back.
 

OntarioVanMan

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Whether the speaker has a valid point or not isn't the point here. The point here is that he, or maybe it's she since it has a husband, was addressing a group of teens at a journalism conference expecting a discourse on bullying. Now, they did get a good example of it but that's not what they expected and not what they should have gotten. The guy was a donkey and for our simple minded friends that has nothing to do with him other than calling him a 3 letter bad word that can't be used on the forum.

Looks like he started off bullying right at the gitgo...maybe and we can only ASSume of course that was the speakers intent and it backfired to some extent??? We can't really know for sure...
 
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