Another "Zero Tolerance" Runs Amok

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A wildly popular science teacher has been removed from the classroom after two of his science fair students turned in projects deemed dangerous by the administrators. Greg Schiller teaches Advanced Placement biology and psychology, and honors biology at Grand Arts High School in Los Angeles. He’s been overseeing science fairs for 15 years. Science Fairs aren't places where major scientific breakthroughs are expected, but rather are places where students show applied science and physics, like where they build and launch rockets, catapults, electrical devices, behavioral experiments with mice, dissections of flowers, etc. The two projects in question were flagged and confiscated before he even had a chance to grade them.

To show just how serious the Los Angeles Unified School District takes this, they released this statement:

"There is an ongoing investigation, therefore, we cannot comment. It is the practice of the Los Angeles Unified School District to reassign an employee to a non-classroom setting when there are allegations related to student safety. We will always err on the side of protecting students. On the other hand, the District does not reassign employees on a whim. The reassignment of employees is taken very seriously. For this reason, there is a rigorous decision making process associated with the reassignment of employees."

Sounds serious. What are these two projects that got this teacher removed from the classroom two months ago? One is an electromagnetic linear accelerator that uses coiled wire around a tube and a circuit board to shoot a projectile - A.K.A. a "coil gun." When the ninth-grader proposed it, Schiller told him to be more scientific, to construct and test different coils and to draw graphs and conduct additional analysis.

The other was pieces of PVC pipe that can be pressurized with a hand pump that shoots marshmallows - A.K.A. a "marshmallow gun." Methods for testing the pressure and measuring the distances were a requirement.

A school employee saw the air-pressure project and raised concerns (went bat crap crazy) about what looked to her like a weapon, according to the teachers union. Schiller, who said he never saw either completed project except in photos, was summoned and sent home. Both projects were confiscated by administrators as “evidence.”

The administrators at the LAUSD have charged Schiller “supervising the building, research and development of imitation weapons.”

“As far as we can tell, he’s being punished for teaching science,” said Warren Fletcher, president of United Teachers Los Angeles.

Students in Schiller's classes are concerned about Advanced Placement exams for college credit in May. “The class is now essentially a free period,” said 17-year-old psychology student Liana Kleinman. “The sub does not have a psych background and can’t help us with the work.”

Schiller initially prepared lesson plans for the substitute, but the district in an email directed him to stop.

“This is really hurting my students more than anything else,” Schiller said in an interview. “I would never do anything to set up a situation where a student could be harmed.”

Schiller also coaches the school fencing team, which has been shut down in his absence, ironically because administrators deemed it impossible for them to safely compete without Schiller in charge.

Schiller also was the teachers union representative on the campus and had been dealing with disagreements with administrators over updating the employment agreement under which the faculty works. His suspension, with pay, removed him from those discussions, coincidentally, I'm sure.

Different stories on this:
Popular LAUSD science teacher on being suspended due to controversial experiments | AirTalk | 89.3 KPCC

Teacher removed for 'dangerous' science projects; supporters rally - latimes.com

Science Teacher Suspended for Teaching Science


Incidentally, at the 2012 White House Science Fair, a marshmallow gun created by 14 year old Joey Hudy (The Extreme Marshmallow Cannon) won the top prize, for shooting a marshmallow 175 feet. Obama even played with it by shooting a marshmallow across the State Dining Room. The Secret Service didn't melt down once. Obama was not suspended for the incident.
 

blackpup

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I was going to comment about common sense being illegal, then I saw the paragraph stating that suspended teacher is the union rep. for that school, and that union issues might be involved .

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aquitted

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I had a dream once that I was eating a giant marshmellow and when I woke up my pillow gone!
 

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They're not some kind of swamp cannabis. Mellow out, swamp dood. They originally came from the Malvaceae, or the Mallows family of plants (okra, cotton, kola nut, cacao), specifically the genus Althea Officinalis (healing plant), known as the marsh mallow, marshmallow, or simply mallow. The root extract was used since ancient Egyptian times in a treatment for a sore throat. Since the Middle Ages the stem was peeled back to reveal the soft and spongy pith, which was boiled in sugar syrup and dried to produce a soft, chewy confection. French confectioners began whipping up mallow sap and sweetening it to produce the same soft, chewy treat. Then in the late 1800s France someone figured out a way to use egg whites or gelatin combined with corn starch and sugar to achieve the same mallow nirvana, only without the actual mallow. That's the marshmallow confection we know and love today in our Easter Peeps and campfire Smores and RC Cola companion Moon Pies. And, of course, the marshmallow gun.
 

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It gets really depressing, the way science and independent thinking, creativity, and 'what if?' questions are actively discouraged in what passes for 'education' today, while athletics are treated as the pinnacle of human achievement. I'm still watching for that town that brags [with a sign at the border] about their Science, Technology, or Engineering winners.....Those are the kids that will do something that really matters, IMO, but it's the ones who can win at games that get the spotlight and applause.
And once again, an award winning book for young adults has been banned [in Idaho] because parents objected to the mention of masturbation and unspecified "anti Christian" material. Seriously: do these [always anonymous] parents think their 16 year olds don't know about masturbation already? Why are they so afraid of allowing their kids to be exposed to words/ideas/beliefs they may not approve? How else will the kids learn to discriminate?
SMH.
 

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Maybe it's at least partly because if the coin is reversed and material that includes unspecified "pro Christian" content is presented it's automatically and immediately banned. Maybe they're tired of the double standard promoted and demanded by the "tolerant" left.
 

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Banned books is a subject that I am particularly interested in, and of all the dozens of reports and mentions of the reasons, I don't recall a single book banned for being "pro Christian". I can't think of even one parental complaint about a book that features [or just mentions] characters who find solace in faith & prayer, though I've seen plenty of such characters in books for young adults. It's only the secular viewpoint [or any mention of sex, even age appropriate] that draws complaints from 'concerned parents'.
Well, that and 'magic', like Harry Potter. Sigh.
 

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Just keep telling yourself that Christian material isn't restricted if it makes you feel better.
 

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Banned books is a subject that I am particularly interested in, and of all the dozens of reports and mentions of the reasons, I don't recall a single book banned for being "pro Christian". I can't think of even one parental complaint about a book that features [or just mentions] characters who find solace in faith & prayer, though I've seen plenty of such characters in books for young adults. It's only the secular viewpoint [or any mention of sex, even age appropriate] that draws complaints from 'concerned parents'.
Well, that and 'magic', like Harry Potter. Sigh.

http://www.foxsanantonio.com/news/f...der-told-she-cant-read-bible-class-3271.shtml

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RLENT

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Be interesting to see if it's actually true ... or whether it's a ginned up deal by religious fanatics ...

Wasn't there something recently along those lines ?

... kid couldn't remember who the teacher or administrator was that supposed told her not to pray or read the Bible or something ... and Pappy worked for some Christian book publisher ... who just happened to hawking a book on how bad and immoral the public schools are ...

Simply marvelous that the (supposed) parents didn't go to the school ... but went instead to the fanatics at Liberty ... anonymously ...

Contrast that with those parents of the Buddhist kid down in Sabine Parish ...
 

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RLENT

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A little scarce on actual fact, or sources to check, eh?
Yeah ... but that ain't stoppin' it from being endlessly repeatedly in the right-wing echo chamber ...

I'm sure Godfather Politics or Freedom's Outpost will have something on it ... if not immediately then maybe in a year or two, to get their readership frothy all over again ...

"Parents say" is not what I'd accept as the whole story, because it very often turns out to be incorrect.
Yup ... possibly just like the one referred to in my previous post ...
 

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The Bible is way above the understanding and reading level of a second grader, anyway.
 

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I was half-joking, but here ya go.

Second grade student says teacher took away her Bible during reading time | khou.com Houston
CYPRESS, Texas -- The family of a 2nd grade student at Hamilton Elementary says their daughter’s book of choice – the Bible – was an issue of concern for her teacher, and that two weeks ago, during a “read to myself” time, the girl’s teacher took her Bible away.

The family did not go to the school’s principal, instead, reaching out to the Liberty Institute, to convey its concerns to Cy-Fair ISD.

The family wants to remain anonymous, fearing retaliation.

Michael Berry, senior counsel with the Liberty Institute, says the alleged incident happened about two weeks ago. He added that Hamilton Elementary’s library contains copies of the Bible.

“So if it’s appropriate for their own library, why on Earth would it not be appropriate for their own students,” said Berry. {that's pretty retarded logic for an attorney}

Parent Jennifer Muse found the news upsetting.
“They are letting them read the Hunger Games, that’s kids killing kids, why can’t she read the Bible," said Muse. {because the Bible is adults killing kids?}

But one parent KHOU spoke with, says the teacher did the right thing, adding “there should be a definite separation.”

The district says it first heard of the concerns through the media.

In a statement, it said that, ""During a student's independent reading time, students are required to read a book that is "Just Right." A "Just Right" book is when the student can read most of the words, comprehend the text and that the book is appropriate for the type of text or genre that is being taught. As such religious material, including the Bible, that meets these guidelines would be permissible for a classroom assignment and/or independent reading."

Cy-Fair ISD is still trying to figure out if the alleged incident happened, and says if so, it will then look into whether what the student was reading met the district’s “just right” criteria.
 
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