another extension?...

[OntarioVanMan]

Holy crap...yet another extension?....you gotta be kidding me....cut em off and shove them unto state and city welfare!!!
Obama-backed jobless bill clears Republican roadblock - Yahoo Finance

 

[layoutshooter]

Holy crap...yet another extension?....you gotta be kidding me....cut em off and shove them unto state and city welfare!!!
Obama-backed jobless bill clears Republican roadblock - Yahoo Finance

Welcome to the welfare state. We are told we need multiple levels of welfare benefits. The feds are forcing this. State and city have nothing to do with it. States are being hurt by this.

 

[OntarioVanMan]

Welcome to the welfare state. We are told we need multiple levels of welfare benefits. The feds are forcing this. State and city have nothing to do with it. States are being hurt by this.

they need to ween these life long suckers off the teat!!!.....when the benefits are up, they are up and into the general welfare system....

 

[layoutshooter]

they need to ween these life long suckers on the teat!!!.....when the benefits are up, they are up and into the general welfare system....

It's not going to happen. According to the government they are ENTITLED to a wage, working or not. Those of us who work, are not.

 

[OntarioVanMan]

lady they used as 1 example in that story...poor girl had to turn down the heat and wear a sweater around the house...My Gawd...them are taxpayers dollars you have NO right to be comfortable!!!

 

[zorry]

Somewhat related, NY busted 106 people today for welfare fraud.
Sadly, 80 former Police Officers and Firemen.
They were coached on how to fake mental illness and PTSD. Got $30,000-$50,000 per year for their injuries.

 

[zorry]

If we could cut out all the fraud in Government I think we'd be far from broke.

 

[layoutshooter]

If we could cut out all the fraud in Government I think we'd be far from broke.

It won't happen. Besides, fraud has nothing to do with piling on additional welfare programs.

Unemployment insurance is paid for "X" number of weeks. When those "benefits" are used up we already have a welfare program set up. That is what it is for. They are not entitled to more unemployment.

 

[WanderngFool]

Like it or not, government money flowing through the economy juices the economy and costs us little. It's a point that people on tv seem to like to ignore as they talk down to us. They put it in terms like a household budget when they know darn well it ain't like that. When's the last time your household budget gave a hoot about the "velocity of money".

Yeah, yeah, I know. "It just ain't right" is what you're saying and I kinda agree. But we can't relive 1937 when the economy headed south again after perking up. I want better paying loads and a stronger national economy and if there are a few free-loaders cashing in, in the long run they're hurting themselves a lot more than they're hurting you and me.

 

[layoutshooter]

There is NO such thing as "government money". That is incorrect. ALL money in the United States is private property and the ONLY way the government obtains money is to take it from private citizens. That is a fact. Just because they take it in the form of taxes, fines, fees, does not change the fact that is it NOT their money.

 

[usafk9]

I'm curious as to when the last time you sent off your quarterly tax payments was, did it include state and federal unemployment tax payments?

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[layoutshooter]

I'm curious as to when the last time you sent off your quarterly tax payments was, did it include state and federal unemployment tax payments?

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If you question was to me, no. Which is why I am not entitled to unemployment.

Even when our truck was badly damaged, due to the government taking control of it and not allowing us to leave to avoid the damage, were we able to collect unemployment.

 

[WanderngFool]

It's a hard thing to put aside personal feelings and see the national economy as it might appear on a gigantic spreadsheet. No value judgements. Just calculations and a final GDP result.

Think money multipliers. Someone gets a $350 unemployment check. What does he do? Save it? Yeah right! He spends it in a heartbeat. And spreading that money around creates jobs and increases profits for businesses. And then they spend the extra money they made. And so on and so on.

I'm not strongly in favor of extending benefits by any means, but it's a form of stimulus and stimulus is a good thing during economic downturns.

 

[layoutshooter]

It's a hard thing to put aside personal feelings and see the national economy as it might appear on a gigantic spreadsheet. No value judgements. Just calculations and a final GDP result.

Think money multipliers. Someone gets a $350 unemployment check. What does he do? Save it? Yeah right! He spends it in a heartbeat. And spreading that money around creates jobs and increases profits for businesses. And then they spend the extra money they made. And so on and so on.

I'm not strongly in favor of extending benefits by any means, but it's a form of stimulus and stimulus is a good thing during economic downturns.

ALL of that money was taken from other people, who did not get to spend it on their own families. That money is a wash. Even worse, the rest is borrowed.

Everyone seems to forget, it is not the government's money to begin with. OTHER, hard working people, earned it. Their use of their hard earned private property was denied them.

Employers pay state and federal unemployment tax. When that insurance is used up we already have an existing safety net, known as welfare, that is already funded by tax dollars. One program is enough.

 

[WanderngFool]

I hear what you've saying on the value judgement side of things. But have you ever considered how much money the government takes in FROM OTHER PEOPLE, NOT YOU!!!!! hehe I felt like pointing that out , from the money multiplier effect? Let's say the guy getting $350/week spends his money at 30 businesses. These businesses have to pay taxes on their profits and they're paying workers who have to pay taxes on their income and these businesses and workers spend the money they make at various businesses. And these businesses have to pay taxes on their profits and they're paying workers who have to pay taxes on their income and these businesses and workers spend the money they make at various businesses. And these businesses have to pay taxes on their profits and they're paying workers who have to pay taxes on their income and these businesses and workers spend the money they make at various businesses. And these businesses have to pay taxes on their profits and they're paying workers who have to pay taxes on their income and these businesses and workers spend the money they make at various businesses. And these businesses have to pay taxes on their profits and they're paying workers who have to pay taxes on their income and these businesses and workers spend the money they make at various businesses. And these businesses have to pay taxes on their profits and they're paying workers who have to pay taxes on their income and these businesses and workers spend the money they make at various businesses. And these businesses have to pay taxes on their profits and they're paying workers who have to pay taxes on their income and these businesses and workers spend the money they make at various businesses. And these businesses have to pay taxes on their profits and they're paying workers who have to pay taxes on their income and these businesses and workers spend the money they make at various businesses. And these businesses have to pay taxes on their profits and they're paying workers who have to pay taxes on their income and these businesses and workers spend the money they make at various businesses. And these businesses have to pay taxes on their profits and they're paying workers who have to pay taxes on their income and these businesses and workers spend the money they make at various businesses. And these businesses have to pay taxes on their profits and they're paying workers who have to pay taxes on their income and these businesses and workers spend the money they make at various businesses. And these businesses have to pay taxes on their profits and they're paying workers who have to pay taxes on their income and these businesses and workers spend the money they make at various businesses. And these businesses have to pay taxes on their profits and they're paying workers who have to pay taxes on their income and these businesses and workers spend the money they make at various businesses. And these businesses have to pay taxes on their profits and they're paying workers who have to pay taxes on their income and these businesses and workers spend the money they make at various businesses. And these businesses have to pay taxes on their profits and they're paying workers who have to pay taxes on their income and these businesses and workers spend the money they make at various businesses. And these businesses have to pay taxes on their profits and they're paying workers who have to pay taxes on their income and these businesses and workers spend the money they make at various businesses.

The money multiplier effect is a beautiful thing.

Edit: Changed money multiplier to money multiplier effect.

 

[layoutshooter]

If the money multiplier worked we would not be in debt. It's a shell game. Taxes cannot increase wealth, they only can decrease it.

I also did not say they took it from me, I made no personal statement. Only you did. I said that the money is taken from those who earned it, the rightful owner of that particular private property. That is a fact. No emotion. It is what it is.

I am concerned about people who lost jobs? Sure. I also know that there is work out there. It is my personal belief that there are far better ways to help them other than giving them what they did not earn themselves.

 

[LDB]

Someone has been listening to too much Ed Schultz and Rachel Maddow. Every dollar of unemployment money is a dollar taken from someone else. There is zero additional stimulus to the economy. It's no different than when Mr. John Doe spends money or Mrs. John Doe spends money at the local grocer. There's the same finite amount of money. If unemployment were the answer like the Liar in Chief and the regime wants people to believe then the ultimate answer would be to put the entire country on unemployment.

 

[OntarioVanMan]

great points....unemployment money is just a pool of other peoples money that they didn't get to spend and someone who didn't earn it, will....as LOS said...it is just a shell game...

 

[aquitted]

All I know is I need to work harder so everyone else can live off of govt handouts.

 

[xiggi]

It's a hard thing to put aside personal feelings and see the national economy as it might appear on a gigantic spreadsheet. No value judgements. Just calculations and a final GDP result.

Think money multipliers. Someone gets a $350 unemployment check. What does he do? Save it? Yeah right! He spends it in a heartbeat. And spreading that money around creates jobs and increases profits for businesses. And then they spend the extra money they made. And so on and so on.

I'm not strongly in favor of extending benefits by any means, but it's a form of stimulus and stimulus is a good thing during economic downturns.

Sorry but you are just so wrong. It is not 350.00 additional money in the system its just shifted from one person to another. Its like the false broken window theory some push. Also in a previous post you claimed it costs us little which again is a misguided conclusion.

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