Another example of idiocy

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Poorboy

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AW, come on now!! We all know that the DNC instructs you to post things like this from time to time. That way you can APPEAR to be " Fair and Balanced " !!! LOL!!

Could not view the clip, my computer sucks.

Who is John Stewart?

He's just another talk show host, but he showed the clip where this Dumocrat Steve Cohen from Tennessee was calling the Rupubs Nazi's..
 

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He's just another talk show host, but he showed the clip where this Dumocrat Steve Cohen from Tennessee was calling the Rupubs Nazi's..


OH, OK, I seem to remember another post about him a long time ago.

What do you mean? Dumb-O-Crats don't use "hate speech"! Only ReBumLiCans are "mean spirited"!! :rolleyes:
 

witness23

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AW, come on now!! We all know that the DNC instructs you to post things like this from time to time. That way you can APPEAR to be " Fair and Balanced " !!! LOL!!

Yep, my cover has been blown. You've figured me out layout.

Could not view the clip, my computer sucks.

Try this, it will take you to his homepage and you can try it that way. The Daily Show with Jon Stewart Official Website | Current Events & Pop Culture, Comedy & Fake News

Who is John Stewart?

C'mon now, you can't be that isolated can you? You've never seen or heard of Jon Stewart? I'm not asking if you like him or not, I just can't imagine that you are not familiar in anyway of him. Maybe if you used one of those imoticons I would know if you were being sarcastic, funny, confused, or sticking out your tongue at me. Otherwise, I will have to take you for your word and believe that you do not know of him :rolleyes:
 

greg334

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Well Let's look at the speech he made first before depending on an idiot to make comments about it.

Rep Steve Cohen (C) TN; said:
I don't think so. And the tide has been turning. The national polls, which I think are reflective of Tennessee at least on a percentage basis, have shown that it's gone from 10 points up on people that want to repeal this bill to where it's even, as many people for it as against it in this country. There's been a 10-point switch in the last 2 weeks as people have looked at the possibilities of the repeal of the law and seen the benefit.

What I thought about, Mr. Garamendi, I was in New York, New York City, about 2 weeks ago, and I went in the Time Warner Building. They had an exhibit there of Salvador Dali; surreal, things looking out of space. Strange, strange pictures and thoughts. It's hard to think of this Congress and the Republican majority that's come in trying to repeal a bill that's going to become as popular, once it gets implemented, as Social Security and Medicaid and Medicare have over the years, that they are so out of touch with America today and its needs and the future. Because while this may seem to be important to the minority, the tail wagging the dog in that party, the tea party that's wagging the dog, saying repeal health care, the fact is down the line, people are going to embrace this bill like they embraced the Great Society's Medicaid and Medicare and the New Deal's Social Security. It's going to be a short-term possible victory but a long-term defeat. And the myopia of the other side, let alone the hypocrisy of some of its members, is hard to fathom. But you can only see it through the eyes of Salvador Dali, because obviously they are Salvador Dali, and they're saying things in a surreal way.

The nonpartisan, bipartisan Congressional Budget Office says it's going to save us $230 billion the first decade and $1.2 trillion thereafter, and they say, ``Well, they can have their opinion.'' Those are facts. Those are nonpartisan facts of people we hire to give us the truth. They don't like the truth so they summarily dismiss it. They say it's a government takeover of health care, a big lie. Just like Goebbels; you say it enough, you repeat the lie, you repeat the lie, you repeat the lie, and eventually people believe it. Like blood libel. That's the same kind of thing. The Germans said enough about the Jews and the people believed it and you had the Holocaust. You tell a lie over and over again. And we've heard it on this floor; government takeover of health care.

PolitiFact, nonpartisan, Pulitzer prize-winning, 2009, St. Petersburg Times, said the biggest lie of 2010 was government takeover of health care, because there is no government takeover. It's insurance.

I look at my Facebook regularly and I've got some people I communicate with on different issues on Facebook. I respond to them whether they take my side or not, obviously. And one lady has been constantly talking negatively about health care. I responded. She keeps going on with the line that obviously she hears and she's taken as her mantra; and that is that this is a government takeover of health care. Well,she's drunken the Kool-Aid, and that's just not true. We heard in August 2009 that there were death panels and killing grandmother. Everybody agrees now, that was a big lie; just like government takeover of health care is a big lie. And it's amazing the lies: denying the effect on the deficit, claiming it's a government takeover, claiming there were death panels.

This lady on my Facebook page talked about the fact that it was going to take insurance companies out and there was a public option. Well, there is no public option. And the exchanges aren't a public option but the exchanges are private insurance where people can come together and get better rates that they couldn't get if they were dealing as individuals on the open market.

People don't understand. If you read Paul Krugman today, or yesterday--today in Memphis, we get it a day late--but yesterday in the New York Times, he talked about the errors in arithmetic, basically the lies that are being put out about how it will affect the budget. And Krugman, who's only a Nobel prize winner, says it's just not true, and what it comes down to, the bottom line, is there is a group in America that don't feel like they have a responsibility, a social responsibility, a moral responsibility, to those 32 million Americans who can't afford health care and right now are seeing death panels, the death panels that say you won't have insurance and you won't have health care.

As we are just one day beyond Dr. Martin Luther King's holiday, America's holiday celebrating Dr. Martin Luther King, Dr. King was not only for social justice, which everybody embraces today and talks about kumbayah and integration, but it was also economic justice. And economic justice involves health care, and it involves giving everybody an opportunity to stay alive, to get educated, and to get a job. The first priority I have always believed of government is to keep people alive, their health care. The second is to get them educated. And the third is to get them a job. This rhetoric on the other side of the aisle about whatever they want to call it is not only false--read Krugman, a Nobel Prize winner--but it is the third priority. The first thing is keeping people alive. And you want to tell those 32 million Americans we don't want you to have insurance, we don't care about you.

That is wrong. Dr. King wouldn't approve of it. I don't approve of it. America won't approve of it.

And it is as I started with, surreal to think that the first thing that this Republican Congress is doing is trying to repeal what will be known down the years as one of the great acts ever passed by this United States Congress. It will be to the fortune of the Democrats because like Social Security and Medicare and Medicaid and voting rights and civil rights, they are Democratic initiatives that brought America forward, progressive initiatives that have been brought forth by this side of the aisle. And the myopia of the other side is politically welcomed, if not policy-wise sad.

The first thing that strikes me about this guy is he is an embarrassment to the state of Tennessee.

BUT here is why ...

He said "They say it's a government takeover of health care, a big lie. Just like Goebbels; you say it enough, you repeat the lie, you repeat the lie, you repeat the lie, and eventually people believe it."

Goebbels didn't say that, Hitler did. Goebbels said something to the same effect in two different publications, one was the book Churchhill's Lie Factory and the other was an essay for publication within the ministry of propaganda both written in 1940's. I would guess the source of Cohen's idea that it was said comes form his copy of Mein Kampf.

He said (like an idiot) " Like blood libel. That's the same kind of thing. The Germans said enough about the Jews and the people believed it and you had the Holocaust. "

Actually this implies that the entire population had a choice into what happened - a number of them didn't, especially the ones who were Jewish. I think we could understand that it happened here too, with the blacks and Jews, it was the same everywhere.

He said "You tell a lie over and over again. And we've heard it on this floor; government takeover of health care."

Aren't we seeing this happen with the Open Border issue too? I mean we are hearing the lies from the left over and over again and many believe that there isn't anything wrong with a criminal who comes here to make a living by invading?
 

greg334

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Wow dude, you are all over the place.

If you are referring to me, not really.

You posted first the commentary to a speech, I posted the speech.

I commented on the stupidity of the passage everyone is up in arms with (which is funny by the way from an accuracy point of view). While everyone seems to be talking about the Jews, blood libel and so on, no one seems to get that the guy is a goof and doesn't know what he is talking about because he uses populist's revised history to make a bad point about a law that really needs to be repealed and won't cause harm to the country if it is repealed.
 

witness23

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no one seems to get that the guy is a goof.

I'm not sure who you are talking about when you say, "no one seems to get that the guy is a goof". The guy is a "goof", that's the point, among the point being made about comparing people or their actions to Nazis. Go back and watch the clip, go to 1:34 to 3:20. The point is, if Democrats or Republicans are accusing one another of lying, then call them liers! If they are using techniques such as "propaganda", then say they are using "propaganda"! If one side is suggesting genocide, then call them Nazis! The Nazi's weren't the first or the last to use propaganda as a tool.

After you've listened to the part I pointed out, go then to 3:41 and listen to the end. Then maybe you can understand what "rational" people have a problem with.
 

greg334

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I listened to his commentary, I think we are both saying the same thing but my additional point is that the guy is a goof not because of just the relationship of the comments but rather the lack of intelligence.

I agree with you that it is both sides of the aisle, pretty much that is what politics are all about, not talking about the issues but what the other people are saying/doing/acting on.

BUT this happens with key issues, like the comments I heard about how people are going to die without this law or how we are redefining children - used to be that included someone up to 21, then 18 now 26? All for the purpose of fighting for the right political ideology.
 

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"C'mon now, you can't be that isolated can you? You've never seen or heard of Jon Stewart? I'm not asking if you like him or not, I just can't imagine that you are not familiar in anyway of him. Maybe if you used one of those imoticons I would know if you were being sarcastic, funny, confused, or sticking out your tongue at me. Otherwise, I will have to take you for your word and believe that you do not know of him"


I can honestly tell you that I have NEVER heard of or seen a program with that Jon Stewart dude in it. I don't even know what channel that show is on.

Why would that make me isolated? Please explain. Just because I don't spend long worthless hours watching "bullhockey" on TV does not make me isolated. I kinda think it saves what little brain I have left. Most TV these days is worse on your brain than booze or drugs!!

I can't watch clips on this computer no matter how they are posted. It is old and they crash it. One out of 100 MIGHT work and therefore I just don't bother.
 
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