Ann Barnhardt - The All American Girl

[RLENT]

I think it would be best if I ignore you

It's certainly within your purview to do so if you so choose ...

And I can understand why you might want to .... truth being a sometimes uncomfortable thing to look at ...

and you ignore me.

Sorry - no dice.

If you choose to post on these forums I may well choose to comment on what you post, as I might with any other member.

Sooner or later one or both of us will get "vacations" from here.

That may very well be.

I also don't believe that any discourse between us will further the forums.

I understand that is your opinion - and I respect your right to hold it .... however my view is somewhat different:

I think such discourse has value and can be ...... illuminating ......

That is all I intend to say on the subject.

Fair enough - I'll take you at your word.

Now, I am looking at a boat I need.

Good luck and happy hunting !

 

[Pilgrim]

It's all good. She burned a copy of a book. The Pakistani Taliban blew up centuries old historic statues of Buddha...

I am not a "sport" nor am I working for any intell agency. The Buddhas were not blown up as part of the war, they were blown up for religious reasons. Not that any radical Muslims would ever do anything for religious reasons. They are peaceful.

Actually, the Pakistani Taliban and Afghan Taliban are two separate entities, with the Pakistanis comprised of several different tribes/groups with some Afghan leaders. But how easily we forget about these barbarians destroying those ancient artifacts of a different religion in spite of several world organizations offering to remove them from the locations the taliban deemed offensive.

After 1,700 years, Buddhas fall to Taliban dynamite - Telegraph

So much for tolerance.

 

[greg334]

So another ignorant nut job with an iPhone who can post on youtube burns another book. Throughout that dumb clip, she didn't raise one thing that hasn't been said before and nothing she said was valid.

Sorry if this offends anyone but if she is so stupid and with so much rage to take on the South Carolina state flag, I wonder how dangerous she would be if she had an original lucid thought in her head.

Hey Layout, just wondering if we didn't support the afghani when the Soviets occupied their country, would those Buddhas of Bamiyan would still be unscarred and intact?

Just maybe we need to think about our actions and our lack of forethought in some of our operations in the middle east?

 

[layoutshooter]

Actually, the Pakistani Taliban and Afghan Taliban are two separate entities, with the Pakistanis comprised of several different tribes/groups with some Afghan leaders. But how easily we forget about these barbarians destroying those ancient artifacts of a different religion in spite of several world organizations offering to remove them from the locations the taliban deemed offensive.

After 1,700 years, Buddhas fall to Taliban dynamite - Telegraph

So much for tolerance.

Yep, scum are scum. It makes little difference if I read the article wrong. They are also famous for making death threats to people who draw cartoons. So much for tolerance.

 

[layoutshooter]

So another ignorant nut job with an iPhone who can post on youtube burns another book. Throughout that dumb clip, she didn't raise one thing that hasn't been said before and nothing she said was valid.

Sorry if this offends anyone but if she is so stupid and with so much rage to take on the South Carolina state flag, I wonder how dangerous she would be if she had an original lucid thought in her head.

Hey Layout, just wondering if we didn't support the afghani when the Soviets occupied their country, would those Buddhas of Bamiyan would still be unscarred and intact?

Just maybe we need to think about our actions and our lack of forethought in some of our operations in the middle east?

It was not our support against the Soviets that was the problem. It was our lack of support when they left that was the problem. We had a chance to stop the Taliban take over and blew it. The Afghan people are a wonderful people for the most part. We just messed it up.

Yeah, we need to rethink everything. I won't go into that any further. Not worth it.

 

[greg334]

I think that since there is a lot more to the history than what transpired from the fallout of a soviet withdrawal, I think that we can say that for what money we have spent so far in that country, we failed to actually move it forward a bit more than it was back in 1974 and our failure is illustrated in many ways that with our media we won't ever see but others do. I think in this case, ignorance is bliss.

 

[RLENT]

Actually, the Pakistani Taliban and Afghan Taliban are two separate entities .....

.... with the Pakistani Taliban being a relatively recent development .....

But how easily we forget about these barbarians destroying those ancient artifacts of a different religion

Speaking of easily forgetting: how would one consider the above ...... in light of the actions by the "white man" (who was supposedly "civilized") against those who were native in America, when the white man arrived ?

Hmmm .... statue destruction .... versus ..... genocide ...

BTW, how exactly should one consider US soldiers who defaced mosques in Iraq by spray painting Christian crosses on them ? (referenced in the article I linked above)

Yeah ..... barbarians .....

in spite of several world organizations offering to remove them from the locations the taliban deemed offensive.

It wasn't the fact of the locations that were deemed offensive ..... but the very fact the statues existed at all ....

BTW, a uncompromising adherence to the Old Testament of the Bible might deliver a similar result (Exodus 20:4):

4 Thou shalt not make unto thee any graven image, or any likeness of any thing that is in heaven above, or that is in the earth beneath, or that is in the water under the earth.​

So much for tolerance.

Indeed .....

 

[RLENT]

Sorry if this offends anyone but if she is so stupid and with so much rage to take on the South Carolina state flag, I wonder how dangerous she would be if she had an original lucid thought in her head.

Scary ain't it ?

 

[RLENT]

Truly worth a thousand words ....

 

[Pilgrim]

It was not our support against the Soviets that was the problem. It was our lack of support when they left that was the problem. We had a chance to stop the Taliban take over and blew it. The Afghan people are a wonderful people for the most part. We just messed it up.

Yeah, we need to rethink everything. I won't go into that any further. Not worth it.

A good article was in Tuesday's Wall St. Journal regarding a group of native Afghans who work as translators for the US military. An interesting quote from one of the younger men:

"You guys have Black Friday, right? Where everyone sleeps outside the shops to buy cheap things for Christmas?" I nod. As we spoke, millions of Americans were waking up to do just that.
"At the time that the Taliban was in charge, people used to do that also, sleep in the street to wait. But not to buy anything—just to make one phone call. Now, there is a cell phone in every pocket, there are televisions, there is Internet. Everybody knows about Western countries, about life that exists outside Afghanistan. This is modernity. This is the beginning of a society that is educating itself. This is because of you"—by which he means America—"and this is a great opportunity for my people. I would not be sitting here, speaking English to you if it wasn't for that. I'd be sitting somewhere in my province with my cows and goats, with a big beard, stinking."

Anne Jolis: Translating Afghanistan - WSJ.com

Hopefully the link will connect the entire article without requiring a subscription. But the point the younger men made was that right now the 10 year-old kids haven't been brainwashed by the Taliban, so they need the time to mature under more educated and modern standards in order to take power away from the radical muslims. Seems like a reasonable idea. Obviously there are a lot of things going on over there that we don't see or hear about in the mainstream US media - imagine that.

 

[greg334]

Again this proves there is filtering among out news outlets.

I didn't see mention of the child mortality rate or the issues with hospitals and medical care. I do know that one of the things we did was to put up cell phone towers all over the place with our tax money for some odd reason while not investing into the medical end of things.

 

[RLENT]

I do know that one of the things we did was to put up cell phone towers all over the place with our tax money for some odd reason while not investing into the medical end of things.

And of course, this didn't have anything whatsoever to do with our own needs and wants .... we were just being the altruistic good guys that we always are .....

If'n they'd listen to us and just lay down their arms and quit fightin', they wouldn't need any of that medical care ....

 

[purgoose10]

I guess I'm not up on who's who. Never heard of her and only 7500 hits on Utube tells me she not followed by anyone special.
Waste of time burning the green book. I follow the Special Forces creed. " Kill them all and let God sort it out." I know I know extreme yes, but think how peaceful it would be.

How did they even find her?

 

[Tennesseahawk]

Speaking of easily forgetting: how would one consider the above ...... in light of the actions by the "white man" (who was supposedly "civilized") against those who were native in America, when the white man arrived ?

Try staying in the current century, please. We're not talking about whitey in the 1800s, we're talking about modern-day barbarians who can't get out of the 1100s.

 

[RLENT]

Try staying in the current century, please. We're not talking about whitey in the 1800s, we're talking about modern-day barbarians who can't get out of the 1100s.

No ..... actually I'm talking about modern-day barbarians (who have a history, albeit fairly short), who actually truly believe they are civilized (simply because they are technologically advanced), who can't make it out of the 1900's ....

If you wish to talk to me of the barbarity of a relatively small number of (non-representative) folks who lop off someone's head, please do so in the context of an "advanced", "civilized" nation .... one who would use nuclear weapons against civilian populations - with essentially no forewarning of the use of a weapon unlike anything the world had ever seen - killing between 150,000 to 250,000 human beings in a nation which was essentially militarily defeated and was apparently attempting to sue for peace (through the Soviets) ..... after already having firebombed 67 of its cities .....

And that's just for starters .....

Obviously, I could go on .... but I think that in your case I really don't need to.

Barbarians ..... yeah ....

 

[RLENT]

Waste of time burning the green book. I follow the Special Forces creed. " Kill them all and let God sort it out."

If I might inquire: just who exactly would you apply this creed to ?

Strictly jihadis ...... or just any Muslim ?

 

[Pilgrim]

Again this proves there is filtering among out news outlets.
I didn't see mention of the child mortality rate or the issues with hospitals and medical care. I do know that one of the things we did was to put up cell phone towers all over the place with our tax money for some odd reason while not investing into the medical end of things.

An evaluation of their current medical system:
Afghanistan's health system shows improvements, but staff and patient protection remains a concern

An example of the heartlessness of the infidel occupiers:
When Afghans Seek Medical Aid, Tough Choice for U.S. - NYTimes.com

And some additional insight from various articles:
Afghanistan Content Archive - International Medical Corps

One factor that is not often reported but factors in the mortality rate for both adults and especially children is the cultural taboos that inhibit or prevent women from getting care at the medical facilities that have become available. In many cases they're afraid of being beaten or shot if they come by themselves seeking aid. Bottom line is the Americans and other countries are not ignoring the health care problems in Afghanistan. If the taliban had their way there would be none at all.

 

[Tennesseahawk]

No ..... actually I'm talking about modern-day barbarians (who have a history, albeit fairly short), who actually truly believe they are civilized (simply because they are technologically advanced), who can't make it out of the 1900's ....

If you wish to talk to me of the barbarity of a relatively small number of (non-representative) folks who lop off someone's head, please do so in the context of an "advanced", "civilized" nation .... one who would use nuclear weapons against civilian populations - with essentially no forewarning of the use of a weapon unlike anything the world had ever seen - killing between 150,000 to 250,000 human beings in a nation which was essentially militarily defeated and was apparently attempting to sue for peace (through the Soviets) ..... after already having firebombed 67 of its cities .....

And that's just for starters .....

Obviously, I could go on .... but I think that in your case I really don't need to.

Barbarians ..... yeah ....

Funny you bring up the Japanese wanting to surrender. I had never heard that, and I doubt surrender was ever on their minds. I believe we would've lost a million or two men, because there would've been no trusting civilians at all. To me, the Japanese were the quintessential Black Knight from Monty Python.

 

[greg334]

One factor that is not often reported but factors in the mortality rate for both adults and especially children is the cultural taboos that inhibit or prevent women from getting care at the medical facilities that have become available. In many cases they're afraid of being beaten or shot if they come by themselves seeking aid. Bottom line is the Americans and other countries are not ignoring the health care problems in Afghanistan. If the taliban had their way there would be none at all.

I'm getting a bit of a different picture from two people who are not attached to the US government or the military - I trust them more than the PR arm of the military. They are saying the problems are more to do with a cultural difference between the US/NATO and the people who are in charge of medical treatment. Cultural and tribal issues are a very small part of the issues at this time. One of the issues with women and children's mortality is that they are dying in the birthing centers or in-route to them, not in the villages. The village mortality is less than in the birthing centers, with 1 in ten children dying in the centers and 1 in 25 in the villages.

 

[Tennesseahawk]

Look. I don't particularly care for a lot of our history. We've done some things I'm ashamed of, as a government, as an army, and as a people. What I'm seeing from this woman doing this, is that extreme muslims can generalize Christians, westerners, and Jews all they want. We can point out that there are some very sick things written in the Koran that a lot of muslims still abide by. Yes, the Bible talks about how you should treat your slaves. That part was legally done away with, here, in 1865. The stuff written in the Koran, and later endorsed by Khomeini, is very perverted... stuff like having sex with an infant girl's thighs; and rules about selling your livestock after engaging it in intercourse. You can use a strawman about the Bible this, and the Christians that; but nothing relates to garbage like this. Telling worshippers when it's appropriate to beat their wives? Kill them? Chop hands off of thieves? Rape those to be conquered? Some people just don't know when to IGNORE crap that was intended for a 12th century audience, obviously.

Sorry about the run-on paragraph. I wasn't trying to have everything tie into one.