American flag lowered in presence of saudi flag

tbubster

Seasoned Expediter
I just want to know how it is that some of you have decided that it was only about a broken flag staff?How is it you know that the person who hung the flags up did not take the staff out of the american flag befor hanging it up.Which if any of you have really read the article you would see the flag was taken from where it normaly hangs and put up next to the saudi flag.When the principal said when he was told he hung it back where it belonged in it normal location.Now dont any of you that think this is a made up story to get people mad that the dang principal would have said the reason the flag was lower was because the staff was broke.


Now How many of you clicked on the link in the article???????I gonna make an educated guess and say not many.How many of you clicked on the picture and really enlarged it?another educated guess not many.

If you had clicked on the link you would see where the flag is normally hung.You would also see the saudi flag is nowhere near the american flag.Never mind the fact that if you had really read the article you would have read that also when the principal said that very thing!If in fact you had enlarged the photo you would have seen the end that is stuck in the holder is in fact the same kind of tip that is on the other end.In fact not a normal flag staff at all.But then hey why enlarge you can clearly see with out enlarging the pic the flag pole is broken:eek:

I love how some of you insert your own opinions into something then start running with them as facts.Say what you want I love the fact that I get upset when I see something so disrespectful.I would rather be upset then to be blind to the fact that there are People on our soil that truely want to see america fall.For the record I also have stop at places and gone in and not to nice told them what I think about their shreeded flag on their pole.I cant stand it when I see a car driving down the road with a tattered flag on it.
 

scottm4211

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And the sooner you realize that there are those that want to keep fear and hysteria alive....or don't realize it. Whatever
I look at the source. And with the headline written the way it was clearly shows an agenda.

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paullud

Veteran Expediter
I just want to know how it is that some of you have decided that it was only about a broken flag staff?How is it you know that the person who hung the flags up did not take the staff out of the american flag befor hanging it up.Which if any of you have really read the article you would see the flag was taken from where it normaly hangs and put up next to the saudi flag.When the principal said when he was told he hung it back where it belonged in it normal location.Now dont any of you that think this is a made up story to get people mad that the dang principal would have said the reason the flag was lower was because the staff was broke.


Now How many of you clicked on the link in the article???????I gonna make an educated guess and say not many.How many of you clicked on the picture and really enlarged it?another educated guess not many.

If you had clicked on the link you would see where the flag is normally hung.You would also see the saudi flag is nowhere near the american flag.Never mind the fact that if you had really read the article you would have read that also when the principal said that very thing!If in fact you had enlarged the photo you would have seen the end that is stuck in the holder is in fact the same kind of tip that is on the other end.In fact not a normal flag staff at all.But then hey why enlarge you can clearly see with out enlarging the pic the flag pole is broken:eek:

I love how some of you insert your own opinions into something then start running with them as facts.Say what you want I love the fact that I get upset when I see something so disrespectful.I would rather be upset then to be blind to the fact that there are People on our soil that truely want to see america fall.For the record I also have stop at places and gone in and not to nice told them what I think about their shreeded flag on their pole.I cant stand it when I see a car driving down the road with a tattered flag on it.

The only thing that the link in the article says is we asked more questions but don't have answers yet. This entire thing could still be an accident, there is no reason to make it a news story or be angry YET. Now if something else comes up that it was a school policy then I will have a serious issue but there is nothing at this point. The flag was not in it's normal place and it could be they were cleaning and forgot. The flag clearly was not lowered to the Saudi flag it was not in a proper holder so it was lower than all the flags but the writer chose to mention 1 country. It was written to anger people and get them to forward the story to boost revenue otherwise you wouldn't have a link to say the writer has no idea what happened he would wait for the facts.


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paullud

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US Teacher Deems American Flag 'Offensive' - YouTube

Denair Superintendent Apoligizes for Prohibiting American Flag - YouTube


Yep no one at a school would let this kind of thing happen.Thanks paul had seen that one befor its one of the better acts of patriotism out their dispite the liberas thinking otherwise!

I believe that there are people in our society that don't like America but we can't just get angry every time a possible problem comes up. Let's just wait for the facts to see what actually happened otherwise we look like Chicken Little and we lose credibility and get marginalized.

It puts a smile on my face every time I watch him cut the flag down and he says they will have to fight him for it.

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tbubster

Seasoned Expediter
I think it absolutely does state intent, and that's why it was written that way. Otherwise a story about a broken flag holder doesn't really fan the flames.
The pic shows the facts nothing wrong with flag holder

And the sooner you realize that there are those that want to keep fear and hysteria alive....or don't realize it. Whatever
I look at the source. And with the headline written the way it was clearly shows an agenda.

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What I find sad is you take issue with The title and its agenda yet you have no issue with the agenda or the person that did this

The only thing that the link in the article says is we asked more questions but don't have answers yet. This entire thing could still be an accident, there is no reason to make it a news story or be angry YET. Now if something else comes up that it was a school policy then I will have a serious issue but there is nothing at this point. The flag was not in it's normal place and it could be they were cleaning and forgot. The flag clearly was not lowered to the Saudi flag it was not in a proper holder so it was lower than all the flags but the writer chose to mention 1 country. It was written to anger people and get them to forward the story to boost revenue otherwise you wouldn't have a link to say the writer has no idea what happened he would wait for the facts.


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The pic where the american flag goes says it all.This was not a forgotten mistake.The fact that the holder was not the right one so it make it look like the saudi flag is raised above the american flag is why it was put there.Dont you think the principal would have said they were cleaning and it was just forgot to be put back where it belongs.The fact that school officails are not saying anything else WOW thats a big surprise there.
 

greg334

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I don't know why anyone would care when we have many many many many many companies and schools who fly the American flag with a group and it is not higher than the rest.

If you drive by Ford's glass house (HQ), I think they still have the American flag at the same height as the rest of the flags. I also think Bosch, Chrysler and other companies have the same thing going on.
 

paullud

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Dont you think the principal would have said they were cleaning and it was just forgot to be put back where it belongs.The fact that school officails are not saying anything else WOW thats a big surprise there.

That isn't what the article says though, it says that the spokesperson will answer any questions and the writer has now submitted the questions. We should be waiting to see why this happened before we have a reaction and any sort of responsible reporter would have waited to have the facts first. This may turn out to be news worthy but it isn't right now.

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cheri1122

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US Teacher Deems American Flag 'Offensive' - YouTube

Denair Superintendent Apoligizes for Prohibiting American Flag - YouTube


Yep no one at a school would let this kind of thing happen.Thanks paul had seen that one befor its one of the better acts of patriotism out their dispite the liberas thinking otherwise!

Fox sells a lot of advertising by getting a lot of viewers outraged - but when you look closer, it's not quite the story the headlines promised.
In the first one, only the 13 year old and her mother tell their side - where are the school officials to present theirs? When they do, [in another clip not included here], the principal and superintendent promise the teacher 'will apologize if that's what's required', but they never agree that the comment was even made, do they? And one points out that that particular teacher heads a project for the kids to make flags to send to servicemembers - doesn't sound like someone who'd find a drawing of the flag 'offensive'...There's definitely more here than we're hearing.
The second link is even better: the school officials apologized for making the kid remove the flag from his bike, while pointing out that the policy was adopted to avoid trouble when the Mexican kids paraded their country's flag on Cinco de Mayo. And also: to allow the American flag, they cannot prohibit others - if someone flies a Nazi flag, they can't say a word about it.
And that would be Fox News' next outrageous headline, no doubt, and then people could be outraged about that, too.
It's just too bad that so many get manipulated by the misleading headlines, by not looking close enough to see whether it's genuine - mostly, it aint.
 

tbubster

Seasoned Expediter
Fox sells a lot of advertising by getting a lot of viewers outraged - but when you look closer, it's not quite the story the headlines promised.
In the first one, only the 13 year old and her mother tell their side - where are the school officials to present theirs? When they do, [in another clip not included here], the principal and superintendent promise the teacher 'will apologize if that's what's required', but they never agree that the comment was even made, do they? And one points out that that particular teacher heads a project for the kids to make flags to send to servicemembers - doesn't sound like someone who'd find a drawing of the flag 'offensive'...There's definitely more here than we're hearing.
The second link is even better: the school officials apologized for making the kid remove the flag from his bike, while pointing out that the policy was adopted to avoid trouble when the Mexican kids paraded their country's flag on Cinco de Mayo. And also: to allow the American flag, they cannot prohibit others - if someone flies a Nazi flag, they can't say a word about it.
And that would be Fox News' next outrageous headline, no doubt, and then people could be outraged about that, too.
It's just too bad that so many get manipulated by the misleading headlines, by not looking close enough to see whether it's genuine - mostly, it aint.

maybe you did not see this one or maybe you did and you did not mettion it to further your agenda when it come to slamming fox news.she was forced to apologize.Would like to know why you say IF thats whats required?

Art Teacher In Salinas Flag Flap Apologizes - YouTube

Or maybe this one

More On The Flag Artwork Controversy - YouTube

As far as the second one the mexican students need to relize this is america and they need to get over it.I guess its ok to take away our right in order not to offend the mexican kids.AMERICA FIRST ITS THAT SIMPLE NEVER MORE SO THEN WHEN ITS ON AMERICAN SOIL!Its real simple have what ever holiday you want but in no way does your holiday trump the right of americans.If they dont like that they are more then welcome to head south!!!!


Sure their are a few that have your same views god forbid we offend anybody buy flying our flag with pride.For those of you who feel this way a warning you will not like this video.Im also sure there are more then a few that will like it.

Bikers Escort Denair Boy To School - YouTube

For the record MSNBC also ran this story as did CBS.As far as fox goes when for the most part it is the only outlet that will expose this kind of crap then you bet your american butt I will watch it for all its worth.
 

twe2011

Seasoned Expediter
This is a bad time of the year to make a mistake regarding the disgrace to our country flag. If it was a mistake then why was that nasty saudi flag even up next to our flag? Why didn't one of those students fix it at the time our flag fell lower...again why was the saudi flag up at all...at the same height at that?

The problem these days is the lack of respect and thought...this is proof!

I am thinking of buying a saudi flag...for a big dart board and post it when doing so.
 

RLENT

Veteran Expediter
Dont you think the principal would have said they were cleaning and it was just forgot to be put back where it belongs.
And you really believe that the media reports everything that people they interview say ..... and that they do it accurately ?

Really ?

BTW, need a bridge ?
 

RLENT

Veteran Expediter
This:

The problem these days is the lack of respect and thought...this is proof!

by the guy that, in pretty much the same breath, just said this:

.... why was that nasty saudi flag even up next to our flag? ...again why was the saudi flag up at all ... I am thinking of buying a saudi flag...for a big dart board and post it when doing so.
Seriously - ya just can't make something like that up ...

Stuff like this, and others of a similar nature, makes ya wonder if somewhere along the way EO was turned into a rest home for the terminally deaf, dumb, and blind .... and someone just forgot to send out the public announcement.
 

tbubster

Seasoned Expediter
And you really believe that the media reports everything that people they interview say ..... and that they do it accurately ?

Really ?

BTW, need a bridge ?

Bubbie,

I'm thinking you need to realize this is America .... and you need to get over it.

This:



by the guy that, in pretty much the same breath, just said this:


Seriously - ya just can't make something like that up ...

Stuff like this, and others of a similar nature, makes ya wonder if somewhere along the way EO was turned into a rest home for the terminally deaf, dumb, and blind .... and someone just forgot to send out the public announcement.

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lentie he was talking about people like you!
 

RLENT

Veteran Expediter
he was talking about people like you!
Don't think so .... I'm all for freedom, as long as that freedom doesn't infringe on the rights and freedoms of others.

You, on the otherhand, have, just in this thread, called for someone - anyone apparently, if it can't be determined who is responsible for this utterly heinous crime :rolleyes: - to lose their job - their means to a livelihood and happiness ....... all without really knowing, or even having all the data about what actually happened ...

That, in itself, would seem to indicate an individual who might be inclined to lose their freedom - or cost others theirs - given that they would seem to be prone to rash action without having all the facts, instead substituting their own "think" in place of actual investigation, observation, consideration of the facts, etc.

In fact, you are apparently so thoroughly unfamiliar with the concept of true freedom, that you issued the following rather shrill screed, earlier in this thread:

"THERE IS NO EXCUSE FOR THIS TO HAPPEN ON AMERICAN SOIL."

That sentiment, in and of itself, is perhaps one of the more unenlightened (or patently stupid, if you prefer) things that I've seen on here in some time.

And yes there is an excuse for it to happen on American soil .... in fact, there are over 300 million of them ....

The essence of what you are saying is that someone should not have ...... wait for it :D ...... the freedom .... to do whatever they want with an American Flag.

I'm sure that sorta mindset would fit right in, in Joe Stalin's Communist Russia and Adolph Hilter's Nazi Germany, however there is a problem ...... this is America ....... and instead we have freedom. I sorta like it that way myself.

Fact is, if I - or anyone else - wanted to, I (or they) could take a rather large, hot, steaming dump ..... all over the American Flag .... or whizz on it ..... or use it as a patch to cover a hole on the butt on my pants .... or pretty much anything else.

And that's as it should be - because you see, the Flag is only a symbol. It's meant as a representation of something. In our case, what it represents (to me at least) are the ideals that this nation is founded on - life, liberty, and the pursuit of happiness .... IOW: freedom

Sometimes folks get a little confused .... as you apparently are here .... because they confuse the symbol for the actual thing that it represents.

And if you want to understand how utterly frickin' insane that can actually get, then get this as an idea: someone becomes so religiously fanatical on the subject of symbols that they actually worship the symbol (flag) ..... while ignoring or losing sight of the actual thing (freedom) that the symbol is supposed to represent.

Sound at all familiar ? It should .....

In the final analysis, the thing that is really important, the thing that really matters, the thing that folks willingly lay down their lives for, in defense of ...... is not some piece of cloth, a rag, a mere symbol .... but that which the symbol represents.

You could save the symbol at all costs .... and if one lost what it stood for ..... one would have nothing at all, really, in the end.

Cry Freedom

How can I turn away
Brother/Sister go dancing
Through my head
Human as to human
The future is no place
To place your better days

Cry freedom cry
From a crowd 10,000 wide
Hope laid upon hope
That this crowd will not subside
Let this flag burn to dust
And a new a fair design be raised

While we wait head in hands
Hands in prayer
And fall into a dreamless sleep again
And we wave our hands

Hands and feet are all alike
But gold between divide us
Hands and feet are all alike
But fear between divide us
All slip away

There was a window and by it stood
A mirror in which
He could see himself
He thought of something
Something he had never had but hoped would come along
Cry freedom, cry
From deep inside
Where we are all confined
While we wave hands in fire
Wave our hands

Hands and feet are all alike
But gold between divide us
Hands and feet are all alike
But fear between divide us,
Slip away
In this room stood a little child
And in this room this little child
She would remain
Until someone might decide
To dance this little child
Across this hall
Into a cold, dark, space
Where she might never trace her way across this crooked mile
Across this crooked page
Cry freedom, cry
From deep inside where
We are all confined
Till we wave our hands

How can I turn away
Brother/Sister go dancing
Through my head
Human as to human
The future is no place
To place your better days

Hands and feet are all alike
But gold between divide us
Hands and feet are all alike
But fear between divide us
Hands and feet are all alike
Hear what I say
Hear what I say
Oh, so be it

How can I turn away
Brother/Sister go dancing
Through my head
Human as to human
The future is no place
To place your better days​
 
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Moot

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Even if this act was intentionally perpetrated by some Saudi miscreant intent on dissing the U.S., is it really news? Is it worth getting worked up about and wasting virtual ink on 57 posts?
 

cheri1122

Veteran Expediter
Driver
RLENT: as the 'Stolen Valor' thread illustrates, the difference between a symbol and the thing it represents is a tough one to grasp for some folks. which makes me wonder: if a mugger took their wedding ring, would they still be married? :confused:
 

RLENT

Veteran Expediter
Even if this act was intentionally perpetrated by some Saudi miscreant intent on dissing the U.S., is it really news?
Oh, I suppose it is ...... at least to some minor extent or another ... worth paying it any mind ?

Perhaps not.

Is it worth getting worked up about and wasting virtual ink on 57 posts?
No, the incident itself is not .... however the compulsion of some of an apparent sadistic and brutal nature to call for vengeance and punishment, for what could arguably have been just the exercise of a civil right protected under the Constitution might be worth at least a drop or two of virtual ink ...... ;)
 
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