America the Baby Sitter

Jamin_Joe

Seasoned Expediter
What you said it could just as easily have been written in 1801, 1901, 1950 or any other time.

The difference is that we as a sociaty have become more tolarent.

There is s cancer of "the heck with the law" which has spread into the government.

I guess once our freedoms are gone, then people wake up.

Any way this thread is about the children crossing the boarder.
 

cheri1122

Veteran Expediter
Driver
The idea that women are more interested in their reproductive rights than the serious issues we face as a nation is insane.
A woman's reproductive functions may well control her life, employment, marriage, health, and sanity - you bet we're 'interested'.



We have many people, especially the young and uneducated that are persuaded by propaganda rather than facts.

Yet our tax dollars still pay for things like abstinence only 'sex education', and 'crisis pregnancy centers', where the facts are ignored, and [religious] misinformation is ladled out instead.
Why does Hobby Lobby get to object to paying for what they consider 'immoral', while I have to pay for religious misinformation to be dispensed?
 

Turtle

Administrator
Staff member
Retired Expediter
So by that logic FDR's administration mishandling illegal immigrants is justification for the ineptness and/or incompetence of the subsequent presidents and their administrations - especially when this one continues to make such a big deal of promoting amnesty for a flood of illegals never before seen in our history?
Not even. I'm not sure how you even managed to get to "justification" from what I wrote. No, "by that logic" (in what I wrote), it's senseless to blame even today's border and immigration problems on any one president or administration. Like I said, I know the desire to do is is there, but it is still, nevertheless, nonsensical to do so. And also, again, like I said, you had me until your final sentence where you mentioned the six years and Obama's and Holder's influence. All Obama and Holder have done is pick up the ball and run with it. They haven't done anything of substance that is dramatically different, one way or the other. Sure, illegal immigration is down in the last 6 years and deportations are up, but not dramatically, and the underlying problems remain exactly the same. Obama and Holder haven't influenced anything at all other than look-at-me details, both good and bad, that don't matter.

You should do some research on the history of the US immigration policy. Like every other government run operation, it's a joke. And it's a joke that has changed dramatically over the decades, but it keeps on being a joke. For most of the past 200 years immigration policy had the deck heavily stacked in favor of MWMC (Mostly White Mostly Christian) people from western and southern Europe, with people from other regions being severely restricted from entering in any significant numbers. It's the MWMC immigrants that many here on EO and across the country prefer. That's certainly normal and natural inclination. But it's kind of a joke when you call yourself a melting pot when you're really not.

The Emergency Quota Act of 1921 put hard numbers on immigrants in order to ensure the MWMC got big-time preferential treatment. It strictly limited immigration of any single country to 3% of the number of residents from that same country living in the United States as of the 1910 Census. The 1910 Census showed overwhelmingly a US population made up of MWMC, and thus ensured that only people of Northern and Western Europe who had similar cultures to that of America were likely to get in, and everyone else would be admitted in numbers which could be counted on your fingers and toes. The Quota Act also eliminated immigration from Asian and African countries completely.

Then in the 1965 the esteemed, revered and god-like Senator Ted Kennedy got his Hart-Cellar Act (proposed by Hart and Cellar on behalf of Kennedy) which removed national origin completely from the equation. The American people were, understandably, not behind this bill at all. They felt it would dramatically alter American culture and demographics, and would do so rapidly, like within one or two generations. President Johnson who signed the bill into law, and the Secretary of State, Attorney General, Senator Kennedy and many others campaigned loud and hard to the American people reassuring everyone that "this not a revolutionary bill. It does not affect the lives of millions" (Johnson), and that the "population mix would not change in any manner, significant or insignificant" (Kennedy).

They were way wrong. Way wrong. Life as we knew it changed within a single generation. Immigration, legal and illegal, from India, Asia, Africa and South and Central America exploded. Every president since Johnson has done nothing to change this. Some have paid lip service, but none really wanted to change things. All efforts at immigration reform are nothing more than putting out fires, or trying to continue to do things exactly as they are but making it seems like they are doing something different.

The only immigration reform that will have any effect at all is securing the borders and instituting strict quotas on legal immigration. Once you've accomplished that, then and only then can you talk about what to do with the illegals who are here already. Doing it in any other order, or doing something else, will only result in things getting worse.
Although FDR was dealing with a World War at the time, he wasn't faced with Mexican drug cartels, Muslim terrorists who want to blow themselves up in shopping malls, and hordes of children being shipped into the country demanding welfare and other free social services. Obama and his lackey Eric Holder could have put measures in place to deal with these problems, but instead choose to fight the states' efforts to enforce our laws. Now he's decided to use his pen and phone since Congress won't agree with his amnesty campaign
Yes, Obama and his lackey Eric Holder (who belongs in actual prison) could have put measures in place to deal with these and other problems. But just like Bush, and Clinton, and Bush, and Reagan, and Ford, and Carter, they don't want to. No one inside the beltway really wants to do what it takes to deal with these problems. If they did it would have been done already. Ironically, Obama and his pen could actually secure the borders. I don't think it will, though. At least not permanently. Since 1942 there have been theatrical productions to temporarily stem the tide at the Mexican border, like Operation Wetback (which was the brainchild of Joseph Swing, INS Director, not Eisenhower), which was initially successful, but quickly failed to limit the numbers of illegals entering from Mexico. It did double the number of border agents at the southern border, and established a more permanent, militaristic border control presence along the United States - Mexico border, though, and like any government operation, has resulted in a really lot of money being spent on inefficiency and ineptness in the failure to secure the border and control illegal immigration.

Obama is going to do nothing that will make a difference, and it's pointless to expect him to, or complain when he doesn't. As long as he and others use amnesty as a sleight-of-hand tactic to distract people into thinking immigration reform will do anything, things will continue exactly as they have been for decades.
 
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