additives

Jack_Berry · Dec 27, 2006

i thought i would ask the trucking community this question because
it has come up on the tdi(vw diesel) car forum concerning diesels.
with ulsd the law of the land and many older diesels not set up for it are you using an additive like stanadyne or power service?

how long have you used it prior to ulsd and have you seen any difference with it?

thanks

Jack Berry

Rick from Paso · Dec 27, 2006

I have a testimonial for Lucas top end lubricant. My 1996 FL70, Cummins C8.3 was getting poor fuel economy <9, and losing power after 2 years of Kalifornia's ULSD (no additives). I tried some Lucas and the power came back and the fuel ecomony is back to 10.5-11.2 after a tank of treated fuel. The old cummins has never run better. $23.99/gal at Pilot. 3oz/10gal.

Crazynuff · Dec 28, 2006

Tom Cobb at the hotshothauling.com forums says he and several other drivers just buy bottles of vegetable cooking oil at the grocery store . He uses 1 qt. per hundred gallons , others use as much as 10 qt.s . They claim better fuel mileage and lubricity .

Tennesseahawk · Dec 28, 2006

Wouldn't we all be fools if what we've been adding to fuel was nothing more than modified vegetable oil?

"If I claim to be a wise man, it surely means that I don't know." - Kansas

RichM · Dec 28, 2006

Could be,perhaps we have all been taken. Could be a good class action law suit to make some Attorney's rich.Howes Meaner Cleaner at $10 a shot vs vegtable oil at $1.00.

highway star · Dec 28, 2006

Vegi oil. Once again, I wish I had the smiley face that laughs and pounds his fist on the table.

LDB · Dec 29, 2006

I use Howe's in my fuel and get it from one of their distributors for about $35 for a case of six 1/2 gallon bottles. That treats 1800 gallons of fuel or about 15k miles worth. That works out to about 4 miles per penny of cost.

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Crazynuff · Dec 29, 2006

>Wouldn't we all be fools if what we've been adding to fuel
>was nothing more than modified vegetable oil?
>
>"If I claim to be a wise man, it surely means that I don't
>know." - Kansas
O.K. time to call in Myth Busters .

Broompilot · Dec 29, 2006

According to landline, they talked about this and WARNED NOT TO PUT in VEGITABLE OIL!!! The computer feeding the injectors is throwing everything into dissaray.

I use to use the Howes and others before the new ULSD Now after I replaced 4 injectors that I have nothing else to blame but the new fuel in Sept and Oct or is that just a coincidence? After getting the truck I ran two tanks with no additives the truck ran great just great. I than added the next two tanks additives (Howes Meaner somehting on the bottle) and it started running rough again, very rough. I was not a very happy camper.

I stopped using it and its as smooth as ever again. Now I am not a mechanic or expert but I do know when my truck is not performing properly. My only conclusion and alot of this is from listening to Landline on this topic is the new ULSD fuel has very strong detergents for keeping the system cleaner much cleaner than before, thus putting in more cleaner is not aiding but actually hurting performance. The verditct according to landline is still out about lubricity but so far very few complaints.

I was able to call and leave a message a couple of weeks ago that was actually played on XM with my question and results. I have followed this closely as it has cost me dearly. An expert I no an open wallet yes.

Rikk · Jan 1, 2007

I'm to am no expert, but as I understand the one major issue with ULSD and angines 2003 and older is the lack of lubrication in the injectors. The sulpher acts as a lubricant and to slow the burn rate of the fuel.... (So I am told)

I run Lucas in the sumer and Howles in the winter.

Rikk Sullenberger
KG4AAO
D-Unit

JohnO · Jan 5, 2007

To get listing of nearest distributor
http://www.howeslube.com/products/index.php/category/10

Distributor in Fords NJ offer free delivery on orders of $200.00 or more. They deliver to residence and business addresses.

Diesel Treat Howes Diesel Conditioner Plus Anti-Gel

Half Gallon Container
1 case contains six Â½ gallon containers at $60.00 per case or
$10.00 per Â½ gallon container
Bulk purchase 16 cases at $50.68 per case or
$8.44 per Â½ gallon container

Savings buying bulk equals $149.12

Checked prices at Pilot & Petro Bordentown, NJ
$13.99 Â½ gallon container

Quart Container
1 case contains 24 quart containers at $135.60 per case or
$5.65 per quart container
Bulk purchase 6 case at $112.70 per case or
$4.69 per quart container

Savings buying bulk equals $137.40

Checked prices at Pilot & Petro Bordentown, NJ
$9.99 quart container

Howes Meaner Power Kleaner

1 case contains 24 quart containers at $195.00 per case or
$7.80 per quart container
Bulk purchase 3 cases at $186.68 per case or
$7.78 per quart container
They also have it in 50 gallon drums

Checked prices at Pilot & Petro Bordentown, NJ
$11.99 quart container

LDB · Jan 5, 2007

>To get listing of nearest distributor
>http://www.howeslube.com/products/index.php/category/10
>
>Distributor in Fords NJ offer free delivery on orders of
>$200.00 or more. They deliver to residence and business
>addresses.
>
>Diesel Treat Howes Diesel Conditioner Plus Anti-Gel
>
>Half Gallon Container
>1 case contains six Â½ gallon containers at $60.00 per case
>or
>$10.00 per Â½ gallon container
>Bulk purchase 16 cases at $50.68 per case or
>$8.44 per Â½ gallon container
>
>Savings buying bulk equals $149.12

Buying from a distributor is the way to go but that isn't a great price. I'd suggest checking other distributors. I got the 1/2 gallon Diesel Treat for $33.48 per case of 6 at the Abilene, TX distributor about 15 miles from my daughter's home. It was $5.58 per 1/2 gallon and didn't require purchasing a bunch of cases. I got 5 cases which will last me a long time.

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