ACORN !?!? Who would have Thought...

chefdennis

Veteran Expediter
:rolleyes:... Yeap, just people that are fed up with how unfair it all is...

EXCLUSIVE: ACORN Playing Behind Scenes Role in 'Occupy' Movement

By Jana Winter
Published October 26, 2011
FoxNews.com
EXCLUSIVE: ACORN Playing Behind Scenes Role In 'Occupy' Movement | Fox News

The former New York office for ACORN, the disbanded community activist group, is playing a key role in the self-proclaimed “leaderless” Occupy Wall Street movement, organizing “guerrilla” protest events and hiring door-to-door canvassers to collect money under the banner of various causes while spending it on protest-related activities, sources tell FoxNews.com.

The former director of New York ACORN, Jon Kest, and his top aides are now busy working at protest events for New York Communities for Change (NYCC). That organization was created in late 2009 when some ACORN offices disbanded and reorganized under new names after undercover video exposes prompted Congress to cut off federal funds.


NYCC’s connection to ACORN isn’t a tenuous one: It works from the former ACORN offices in Brooklyn, uses old ACORN office stationery, employs much of the old ACORN staff and, according to several sources, engages in some of the old organization’s controversial techniques to raise money, interest and awareness for the protests.

Sources said NYCC has hired about 100 former ACORN-affiliated staff members from other cities – paying some of them $100 a day - to attend and support Occupy Wall Street. Dozens of New York homeless people recruited from shelters are also being paid to support the protests, at the rate of $10 an hour, the sources said.

At least some of those hired are being used as door-to-door canvassers to collect money that’s used to support the protests.

Sources said cash donations collected by NYCC on behalf of some unions and various causes are being pooled and spent on Occupy Wall Street. The money is used to buy supplies, pay staff and cover travel expenses for the ex-ACORN members brought to New York for the protests.

In one such case, sources said, NYCC staff members collected cash donations for what they were told was a United Federation of Teachers fundraising drive, but the money was diverted to the protests.

Sources who participated in the teachers union campaign said NYCC supervisors gave them the addresses of union members and told them to go knock on their doors and ask for contributions—and did not mention that the money would go toward Occupy Wall Street expenses. One source said the campaign raked in about $5,000.

Current staff members at NYCC told FoxNews.com the union fundraising drive was called off abruptly last week, and they were told NYCC should not have been raising money for the union at all.

Sources said staff members also collected door-to-door for NYCC’s PCB campaign — which aims to test schools for deadly toxins —but then pooled that money together with cash raised for the teachers union and other campaigns to fund Occupy Wall Street.

“We go to Freeport, Central Islip, Park Slope, everywhere, and we say we’re collecting money for PCBs testing in schools. But the money isn’t going to the campaign," one source said.

"It’s going to Occupy Wall Street, and we’re not using that money to get schools tested for deadly chemicals or to make their kids safer. It’s just going to the protests, and that’s just so terrible.”

A spokesman for the United Federation of Teachers told FoxNews.com, "The UFT is not involved in any NYCC fundraising on the PCB issue.”

Multiple sources said NYCC is also using cash donations through canvassing efforts in New York’s Harlem and Washington Heights neighborhoods for union-backed campaigns to fund the Wall Street protests.

“All the money collected from canvasses is pooled together back at the office, and everything we’ve been working on for the last year is going to the protests, against big banks and to pay people’s salaries—and those people on salary are, of course, being paid to go to the protests every day,” one NYCC staff member told FoxNews.com.

Those who contribute don't know the money is going to fund the protests, the source said.

“They give contributions because we say if they do we can fix things - whatever specific problem they’re having in their area, housing, schools, whatever ... then we spend the contributions paying staff to be at the protests all day, every day. That’s where these contributions - the community’s money – is going,” the source said.

“They’re doing the same stuff now that got ACORN in trouble to begin with. And yes, we’re still ACORN, there is a still a national ACORN.”

Another source, who said she was hired from a homeless shelter, said she was first sent to the protests before being deployed to Central Islip, Long Island, to canvass for a campaign against home foreclosures.

“I went to the protests every day for two weeks and made $10 an hour. They made me carry NYCC signs and big orange banners that say NYCC in white letters. About 50 others were hired around my time to go to the protests. We went to protests in and around Zuccotti Park, then to the big Times Square protest,” she said.

“But now they have me canvassing on Long Island for money, so I get the money and then the money is being used for Occupy Wall Street—to pay for all of it, for supplies, food, transportation, salaries, for everything ... all that money is going to pay for the protests downtown and that’s just messed up. It’s just wrong.”

Neither Kest, NYCC executive director, nor his communications director returned repeated email and telephone requests for comment, nor did his communications director. A Fox News producer who visited the Brooklyn office on Tuesday was told, "The best people to speak to who are involved with Occupy Wall Street aren't available."

In a phone interview on Tuesday, Harrison Schultz, an Occupy Wall Street spokesman, said he knew nothing about NYCC’s involvement in the Occupy movement.
“Haven’t seen them, couldn’t tell you,” he said.

He said he couldn’t comment on the Occupy the Boardroom website’s relationship to the movement and to NYCC.

“It’s a horizontal organization, a leaderless organization, it’s difficult to explain it,” Schultz said, “difficult to explain it to people who haven’t worked in this, who haven’t been part of it.”

Kest publicly threw his organization’s support behind the movement in a Sept. 30 opinion piece on HuffingtonPost.com. But top ex-ACORN staff members and current NYCC officials have been planning events like the Occupy Wall Street protests since February, a source within the group told FoxNews.com.

That’s when planning began for May 12 protests against Chase bank foreclosures, which were followed by the formation of the Beyond May 12 campaign, targeting Wall Street and big banks. That campaign was rolled out by a coalition of community groups and unions and led by the revamped former ACORN group.

“What people don’t understand is that ACORN is behind this — and that this, what’s happening now, is all part of the May 12 and Beyond May 12 plans to go after the banks, Chase in particular,” a source said.

Sources said NYCC was a key player behind a series of recent Occupy Wall Street events, including the Oct. 11 Millionaires March, which brought protests and union and community groups on walking tours of Upper East Side homes of wealthy New Yorkers; and the launch of the “Occupy the Boardroom” website, registered to Kest, which encouraged protesters to contact high-profile bankers, among others.
 

tbubster

Seasoned Expediter
Read this earlier no suprise really knew they had to be in there somewhere.Funny how the protest is about liberity yet they need to lie to people to get them to donate money for something else in order to fund their cause.Also gotta love it this is not the first report of people paying protesters to show up and protest.
 

Tennesseahawk

Veteran Expediter
Read this earlier no suprise really knew they had to be in there somewhere.Funny how the protest is about liberity yet they need to lie to people to get them to donate money for something else in order to fund their cause.Also gotta love it this is not the first report of people paying protesters to show up and protest.

Who is they?

If I went down there to join in the protest, and preached liberty, would I be a they also?
 

tbubster

Seasoned Expediter
Who is they?

If I went down there to join in the protest, and preached liberty, would I be a they also?

Well they would be acorn.and if you only went down there because you were being paid then yes you would be they also.My comment was in responce to the article where it talked about people going door to door to collect money for one thing from people then using it to help pay for people to go and protest.If they have to use lies and deception to get people to suport their agenda in the name of what they call liberty.Then they can keep their so called liberty


Using lies and deception in order to get other peoples money The very thing they acusse the big banks,wall street and anyone else who happens to be in the top one percent of doing.Now thats funny right there.
 
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Turtle

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Retired Expediter
ACORN, like a lot of others, are trying to hijack this for their own agenda. That will continue. There have been a dozen different groups who have either claimed to be, or accused of being behind all this. What is at least as interesting as the protests themselves is how desperate and the lengths to which they will go, is the Far Right in attempting to blame this squarely on the Left, and to pigeonhole it into "comfortable" issues.

Apparently, you can preface anything with "sources said", and it's fine. I never saw an article with so many "sources said", that couldn't name any of them. <snort>
 

tbubster

Seasoned Expediter
ACORN, like a lot of others, are trying to hijack this for their own agenda. That will continue. There have been a dozen different groups who have either claimed to be, or accused of being behind all this. What is at least as interesting as the protests themselves is how desperate and the lengths to which they will go, is the Far Right in attempting to blame this squarely on the Left, and to pigeonhole it into "comfortable" issues.

Apparently, you can preface anything with "sources said", and it's fine. I never saw an article with so many "sources said", that couldn't name any of them. <snort>

With no real leadership in this so called movement,groups with there own agenda are given free rain.There is no one to stand up and say wait,what you are doing is not what this is about.The only ones wanting to pigeonhole are the groups that are doing it.When thesse groups move in and the 99% welcome them with open arms they become a face of the so called movement.Desperate I dont think so,one only has to open their eyes to see the protesters for what they are.CLUELESS!!You see no matter what anyone says taking what one has earned and giving it to someone Who has not earned it is not LIBERTY,no matter how bad you wish it to be.Setting limits on what a person can earn because its not fair not everyone else does not make the same is not LIBERTY.Taking a crap in the street is not LIBERTY.Having ones debt forgiven because one spent and lived beyond their means is not LIBERTY.Marching on peoples homes is not LIBERTY.People say they want LIBERTY yet what they want is more government in our lives.That is not LIBERTY.

What I find interesting is one only has to look to the protesters themselfs to those so called LIBERTY seekers are very much pushing a liberal agenda.What is even more interesting is the fact that so many refuse to admit this is what is happening.

Take Liberal filmmaker Michael Moore he shows up at the protest and tells the protesters he is with them.They all welcome him with open arms and clammer around to get their picture taken next to him.Now here is a peice of work that truly does make millions off of the hurt of others.Yet he is treated like a hero by the protesters.And we all know he is in fact part of that one percent no matter what he says.Now I bring him up as just one example of the many RICH LIBERALS that have shown up to support the protesters.That the protesters have no problem with some in the top one % as long as they feel the same way as the protesters do.So are they the 99% or are they the 99% and some of the 1%.You see if there is pigeonholeing going on the protesters are allowing it to happen.And like most of their problems it is their own fault.

Say what you want but with more and more groups everyday pushing their agenda under the cover of the protesters there comes a time when they are the protesters and not just a group trying to lay claim to this so called movement.
 

Turtle

Administrator
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Retired Expediter
Your post excellently illustrates my point, that people have, are, and will hijack the protest movement for their own agenda. And when the OWS protesters are finally disbanded in every city, additional protests will take their place, and people will try and hijack those, too. You call the protesters clueless, which is triply ironic, actually. Some individuals and groups are trying to pigeonhole the movement (or in your words, "so called movement") into specific issues for their own agenda. Many on the right can't understand it unless it's "us versus them", so they pigeonhole it into a political party issue of philosophy, and they pick and choose the "left" side issues and examples and focus solely on those and those who are a part of it, while completely ignoring the fact that many well-to-do conservatives are also a part of the movement. Yes, there are absolutely liberal protesters who are pushing their liberal agenda, but there are also conservative protesters who are pushing their own agenda, as well. But it would be inconvenient to acknowledge the conservatives in the group, especially since the bulk of the protesters do not identify as liberal or conservative.

These people are not protesting a liberal agenda, much as many on the outside looking in wish and think they are, these people are protesting a system of government and a financial system that are so tightly intertwined with each other as to become one in the same, indistinguishable from each other, and one that is designed to benefit solely those in power at the expense of those who are not. That's anti-liberty no matter how you want to spin it, and that's what these people are protesting.

All the Michael Moore's and ACORNS and all the other sideshows are just distractions and window dressing for those who are so desperately looking for a way to avoid change, and to pretend they are being good little citizens doing exactly what those in power want you to do. Those in power are afraid, they're very afraid. That's why you see police deployed in overkill numbers, and why the police are poking and prodding just begging for a confrontation, and it's why you see some conservatives, who are also afraid, now using the tactic of having "ordinary citizens" confront the protesters in a provocation to induce violence. This isn't about left or right, about liberal agendas, because if it were, the conservatives would be all over this like white on rice, because if left alone, the OWS protesters are going to do far more damage to Obama and the left than they could possibly to do the right. Notice how it's the conservative media who is most loudly trying to proclaim this as a "liberal thang", because they need to convince people that it's bad, bad, bad. They and their corporate bosses know that if these protests are left alone and allowed to run a natural course, that the current construct of government and the financial system will change, and for many conservatives, that is indeed a bad, bad, bad thing. So, they try and convince the willing and predisposed that in order to be a good little conservative citizens you must be against the protesters, and they'll serve you up the reasons why should should be against the protests. This scenario has been played out so many times over the last couple of thousand years it's virtually scripted and utterly predicable.
 

witness23

Veteran Expediter
Get rid of the lobbyist's in Washington and have some real campaign reform and a lot of what OWS and the Tea Partiers are rallying against will go away. Get the money out of politics!
 

Tennesseahawk

Veteran Expediter
Get rid of the lobbyist's in Washington and have some real campaign reform and a lot of what OWS and the Tea Partiers are rallying against will go away. Get the money out of politics!

But you also need to get the money out of the Fed, thus getting the Fed out of politics.
 

witness23

Veteran Expediter
ACORN???? They are soooo last year.

George Soros is the one behind the scenes....bwaaahhhaaaahhhaaaa. :eek:
 
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