ACLU supports Pastor Terry Jones

Ragman

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ACLU files brief supporting Terry Jones
Christine Ferretti / The Detroit News

Dearborn— The American Civil Liberties Union of Michigan has weighed in on the Terry Jones saga, filing a brief supporting the controversial pastor's right to protest this afternoon in front of a mosque.

In the eight-page brief to the 19th District Court, the ACLU argued that efforts to make Jones pay a peace bond to protest outside the Islamic Center of America constitute prior restraint of his rights to free speech and assembly.


"The ACLU vehemently disagrees with the content of Pastor Jones' speech, but we feel equally strongly that if the First Amendment is to have any meaning, it must mean that the government cannot suppress free speech because it, or anyone else, disagrees with that speech," ACLU Staff Attorney Jessie Rossman told The Detroit News today. "While we are not representing Pastor Jones, we filed this friend of court brief to help provide additional analysis with respect to the critical constitutional issues at stake here."

Staffers for Wayne County Prosecutor Kym Worthy declined comment.

But prosecutors argued in court today that Jones' protest could compromise public safety because the Ford Road mosque is located in a heavily trafficked area near churches, a senior center and schools. Police also argued that Jones — who has burned a Quran — has had threats against his life.

The city has said Jones can move the protest to other "free speech zones" elsewhere in the city or pay a peace bond — as much as $100,000 — to cover police costs if he demonstrates at the mosque. He refused, setting up today's court battle.

The ACLU's brief argued that the government cannot suppress speech by making Jones pay a bond based on the cost of police services necessary for anticipated actions of others, calling it an "unconstitutional prior restraint of free speech." The group also cites a 1992 Supreme Court ruling that said it's unconstitutional to have a group bear the cost of police protection due to the content of their message.

Former Macomb County Prosecutor Carl Marlinga agreed the procedure being used against Jones runs contrary to Supreme Court precedent.

"There appears to be no evidence, no allegation even that Rev. Jones has made a threat against a person or has made a threat against the property of another," Marlinga said. "The Dearborn Police and Wayne County prosecutor are mixing apples and oranges."

Marlinga said regardless of the outcome of today's trial, Jones will have grounds for legal action. The city is better off if it loses in court today, because they "won't have this mistake to be looking at," Marlinga said.

"Even if you think someone will say something that will inflame a crowd, you cannot use the court process in advance to rule on whether or not a person can speak," he said. "Constitutionally, you just can't do it. You can't say if you don't put up money for a bond we're not going to let you speak."

The fact that the city's ordinance does provide "free speech zones" for people who want to speak out does put them on "stronger ground," he said, but added appellate case law makes it clear they "cannot pigeonhole someone into a free speech zone if they have a valid reason for wanting to conduct speech in a different public place."

Dearborn has tangled with the civil liberties group in the past.

The ACLU sued over a 1989 ordinance that required protesters to secure permits 30 days in advance. The state Court of Appeals sided with the ACLU in 2005.

Several portions of the ordinance have since been changed.

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cheri1122

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I think the prosecutor is going to lose this one, too. Any protest can present a potential threat to public safety, if counterprotesters show up and it gets out of hand.
But I'm not happy about the taxpayers footing the bill because some publicity hungry idiot chooses to insult people in public, either.:mad:
 

blackpup

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The ACLU is probably having to hold their nose over this Stinker. I am sure they are not very happy about their clients views.

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greg334

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I think the ACLU is right on this one, the premise of the peace bond as presented by the county prosecutors counters Dearborn's Mayors reasoning for the restriction which is actually public safety based on the nature of the protest. Their position, as with mine is that Worthy made this out as a free speech issue instead of a safety issue when she presented her case purposefully to trigger a court decision to stop the idiot.

Maybe a lot hasn't been properly said about the situation but the location of the Mosque is right off of Ford Road, which has a 50 MPH speed limit, is a busy road and doesn't lend itself to actually a place for a massive demonstration that this could turn out.

On top of that, the Orthodox Church next door was asked about the protest happening on a high holy day for them and the impact that it would have on their people. The Mayor came out and said that he and the Mosque welcome the protest as an exercise of free speech, it can't be done without impeding people's access to the other church which could violate their access to their place of worship but more importantly cause problems with the travelers on the road. He said to the idiot that if he could guarantee that the demonstration would be limited (the Mosque said they would not counter demonstrate) to prevent problems with those two issues and provide funding for his protection (death threats have been made several times) than he would welcome the protest. One of the reasons why the 'trial' was because the idiot's refusal to cooperate with the Mayor's request.

TO me it is simple, he is an idiot, making his form of religion as he wants it to be - hateful. During the proceedings and in the interviews after, he keep saying the same thing about his burning of the Koran - Jesus would have done the same thing.

The thing that I thought was interesting was CAIR's representative pointed out that there wasn't much if any demonstration against him and his church after he burned their holy book in this country, no terrorist acts, no demanding an investigation but he is trying to push an issue to divide an area and a country over his belief that non-Christians are evil.
 

Pilgrim

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This guy is a pea from the same pod that gave us the cult of nut cases from OK who protest funerals. He'll win these kinds of court cases for the same reasons.
 

chefdennis

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They went to court to try and stop him or to decide if he had to pay for the Peace bond...he lost and they judge said he had to pay $1.00 for the Peace Bond...he refused and the judge LOCKED HIM UP!!!

The courts just made this guy a buckef full of money...idiots all of them...
 

Turtle

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The litmus test to whether or not you really and truly believe in freedom of speech, is whether or not you will defend and allow speech you don't agree with.
 
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