Ok now all you anti ACLU people, How can you attack them for this?
Civil rights group challenges NSA phone surveillance program
Civil rights group challenges NSA phone surveillance program
ACLU sues government to stop surveillance
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The story may not be correct. The meta data is not the phone calls it's the call information, i.e. 555-555-1111 called 555-555-1212 for 37 minutes not the recording of the actual call. It is a good diversion from absolute scandals and wrongdoing though. As for the ACLU, meh, better than nothing but nothing to pass out gold stars yet.
pandora2112
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Ragman they get my atta boy...:thumbup:
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Fixed it for you
Yeah, 555-555-1111 (that's you) called 555-555-1212 (that's your doctor) for 37 minutes. Five minutes later 555-555-1111 (that's you) called 555-555-1313 (that's an oncology clinic) for 15 minutes.
If you can track metadata, you know exactly what is happening, you don’t need the content. Metadata tells you everything you need to know about someone. It can reveal political leanings and associations, medical issues, sexual orientation, habits of religious worship, and even marital infidelities. If you ever call in sick from the beach, the NSA would know.
Why not scan and post a copy of your detailed phone records for the last three months? Also, all of your credit and debit card transactions, just the metadata, dates, times, places and amounts, not what you bought. Then, post your Web browsing and search histories - not what you actually read, just the metadata, dates, times, places and Web pages. That and more is what the NSA is collecting.
"Metadata isn't data - it's data about your data. So it's not really subject to protection, because it's not what you're doing, it's information about what you're doing. It's not an illegal search and you shouldn't be concerned, because we just want to know about what you're doing, not what you're actually doing. OK?"
"It's not like we're actually listening in on your calls, we're just watching to whom and when you call. I mean, it's not like we're doing a database join to find out who's on the other end of the call. That would be an invasion of your privacy. It's just their phone number, IMEI, network identifier, and the start/end geopoints. That's OK. I mean if your parents were at home they could see your phone bill and see who you called too. So we're like your parents that way. We wouldn't give that data to another agency either. Well, unless they asked for it. But they probably won't do that."
"So you see, you really have nothing to worry about. It's not a violation of your rights, it's a strengthening of your rights. Yeah, that's the ticket! Because like other government agencies, we only have your best interests at heart. Well other agencies that aren't the IRS, that is, but you know what we mean."
Another thing you're forgetting is... and it's the most important thing of all... they're lying. They've lied about everything surrounding this, and it only comes out after they're caught. Just a few weeks ago when asked point blank if the NSA was collecting data on Americans, the NSA said no. That was a lie. It was justified as being the "least untruthful answer" they could give. Imagine the MOST untruthful answer they could give, and you're probably closer to the truth.
If metadata is no big deal, why are they collecting it in such grandiose fashion? Why is the NSA in the middle of its largest building boon in its history? This Top Secret three-month renewal of a data collection order is almost certainly the tip of a top secret bureaucratic iceberg of top secret orders that include all of the service providers and also covers the calendar in nice, bite-sized, top secret, three month chunks. It's about as Orwellian as it gets, and to characterize the ACLU's litigation in this matter as, "a good diversion from absolute scandals and wrongdoing," is, well, I won't go as far as to say it's dumber than a dumber than dirt liberal moron, but it's certainly far more ignorant than one.
pandora2112
Seasoned Expediter
I may regret this but if what the NSA did isn't an absolute scandal or wrong doing then just what is?
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spongebox1
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RLENT
Veteran Expediter
No ... no ... he's not ... forgetting ... he just simply never got it in the first place ... and likely never will ... it simply ain't in his nature ...
You could probably beat him upside the head with a 2 x 4 for a month of Sundays and he still wouldn't get it ...
I realize it's probably a lost cause ... but before you throw in the towel and give up, at least give the 2 x 4 a try ...
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RLENT
Veteran Expediter
RM,
I almost replied to the thread when it was the single, original post ... but ultimately passed because of how the OP was phrased ... (I certainly had nothing negative to say)
The ACLU is most definitely on the right side in this matter ... even if the morbidly blind are unable to see it ...
They certainly deserve an atta boy and have mine ...
RLENT
Veteran Expediter
Speaking of surveilling and compiling dossiers on the peeps ... try this one on for size:
The full article:
Main Core: A List Of Millions Of Americans That Will Be Subject To Detention During Martial Law
Main Core - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
The full article:
Main Core: A List Of Millions Of Americans That Will Be Subject To Detention During Martial Law
Main Core - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
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Here it is, all these decades later, and we're still not past the McCarthy era. I wonder if we ever learn.
I have reasons for not being an ACLU supporter, but this time they do have it right. This surveillance on people who have never done anything needs to stop, and now is a good time. It's of interest that there are people on both sides of the political aisle that are for all this secret surveillance and people who are against it, I fall into the "against" category.
An interesting item I saw on Reddit a couple of days ago points up the problem in a nutshell. No one can accuse the President, the NSA or any of the other alphabet soup secrecy organizations of breaking the law. The problem is, they didn't have to break the law.
I have reasons for not being an ACLU supporter, but this time they do have it right. This surveillance on people who have never done anything needs to stop, and now is a good time. It's of interest that there are people on both sides of the political aisle that are for all this secret surveillance and people who are against it, I fall into the "against" category.
An interesting item I saw on Reddit a couple of days ago points up the problem in a nutshell. No one can accuse the President, the NSA or any of the other alphabet soup secrecy organizations of breaking the law. The problem is, they didn't have to break the law.
I wonder if that eight million is just getting rolled into one? Or...."Main Core" has been renamed as Verizon.
pandora2112
Seasoned Expediter
I would like to give more to this post but Verizon is my carrier!
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