About to take the plung

bbirdxx2000

Seasoned Expediter
Hi everyone

After working for 3.5 years locally I lost my job:(. I am an I.C. with a Sprinter. Thinking about signing on with some National firm.

So can you make money, do you live in your van:confused:, what trucking co. would you suggest

Thanks
Mike
 

LDB

Veteran Expediter
Retired Expediter
I would STRONGLY suggest you read back at least one full year in the general, newbies and recruiter forums if not two years. That doesn't mean every word. It means every thread that sounds like it contributes useful information to your circumstances. Vans seem to be in constant over supply. Some companies have finally put a freeze on adding vans. They got a van on every corner and some corners started piling up multiples. There just isn't that much work available. Yes, you live in your vehicle whatever that may be. You are away from home for weeks at a time. Money can be made this way but it's done by those who work both hard and smart. Do a LOT of research and study here before you sign anything and then only do so with a well known and reputable company like those who associate with this forum.
 

dhalltoyo

Veteran Expediter
Ditto!

Consider your van your new home.

Van freight is extremely slow right now.

Expediting is run....sit.....run.....sit.

It is a difficult transition for those who have had dedicated daily routes.

As Leo said, read...read...read.

My advice....pray....pray.....pray. If you have the Peace of God about trying your hand at expediting; come on in....I would be glad to help you any way that I can.
 

Suds43

Seasoned Expediter
If your ready to take the plunge, I sure hope your a good swimmer!!! Like dhalltoyo said, expediting is sit, haul, sit some more, maybe haul, sit, sit, sit...........maybe get a load.
Depends on what company your on with decides how busy you are. But right now, my guess, as far as vans go, EVERY company is slow......
Good luck with what you decide
 

cheri1122

Veteran Expediter
Driver
Bbird: did you read Moot's post about a load offer @ 70 cents per mile, with a fuel surcharge of 7 cents per mile? (He is experienced, and runs very smart, just FYI).
How many miles would you need to run at rates like that, to make the money you require each week?
When you figure that, ask how many miles the average cargo van is actually getting each week, and you'll have a better idea as to whether it's worth "living in a van" to accomplish, eh?
PS Leo's post ought to be a sticky on the Newbies Forum, it's the most help for newbies.
 

LDB

Veteran Expediter
Retired Expediter
Don't forget to take into account that as you multiply that 77cpm, or whatever figure you use, you have to subtract fuel in addition to your other expenses. While things are better now, fuel is still a major expense. I wouldn't want to try making it in a van right now. I know a bunch are making it, including some of our best contributors on EO, but it's a tough row to hoe.
 

davekc

Senior Moderator
Staff member
Fleet Owner
I won't beat around the bush. If you are contemplating a van gig, save your money and wait till spring. If you are really bent on jumping in, do something local for six months.
 

OntarioVanMan

Retired Expediter
Owner/Operator
I won't beat around the bush. If you are contemplating a van gig, save your money and wait till spring. If you are really bent on jumping in, do something local for six months.

AND that comes from a guy who doesn't drive vans...and he knows as well....

This is absolutely the worst time to dive in...
sorry, pools closed for cleaning....:eek:
 

pjjjjj

Veteran Expediter
... I am an I.C. with a Sprinter. Thinking about signing on with some National firm.

So can you make money, do you live in your van:confused:, what trucking co. would you suggest

You already have the Sprinter.. why don't you check out some of the smaller companies.. like ones who don't have wayyyyyy too many OOs signed on in relation to the number of freight opportunities they can gather?
 

OntarioVanMan

Retired Expediter
Owner/Operator
You already have the Sprinter.. why don't you check out some of the smaller companies.. like ones who don't have wayyyyyy too many OOs signed on in relation to the number of freight opportunities they can gather?

Express-1 is NOT recruiting for cargo vans or Sprinters at this time......
 

bbirdxx2000

Seasoned Expediter
Thanks guys for all the advice:cool:. I read about 10 pages in the "newbie's" section.

How the hell can you make money when you wait for upto 4 days for freight. If you factor your waiting time and additional expenses for not being home you might as well get a job for Min. wage:(. Iill just do local work, atleast I'm home which I realize is making no money, but I am not spending any neither like fuel, meals , Hotel, laundry
 

OntarioVanMan

Retired Expediter
Owner/Operator
your right...if one waits for 100 hours for a load and then runs a $700.00 load...it equates to $7.00 an hour plus we spent over 4 days waiting and eating and burning fuel of some sort to stay warm....then minus the fuel to run said load..and then the van payment PLUS any repairs and then the oil changes....Just HOW do we make money??
Probably down to $4.00 an hour plus tips!!!:rolleyes:
 

dodgeboy

Seasoned Expediter
your right...if one waits for 100 hours for a load and then runs a $700.00 load...it equates to $7.00 an hour plus we spent over 4 days waiting and eating and burning fuel of some sort to stay warm....then minus the fuel to run said load..and then the van payment PLUS any repairs and then the oil changes....Just HOW do we make money??
Probably down to $4.00 an hour plus tips!!!:rolleyes:

The true formula for making money in a van is to have a company that is smaller. A company that can provide you with round trip freight. I worked for Arrow Freight Systems out of Ypsilanti Michigan for 6 months and did pretty well. I would begin my week in the Detroit metro area and 8 out of 10 weeks I'd finish my week in the Detroit metro area with around 600 dollars in my pocket after fuel and expenses.

This is an excellent paradigm for making money as a cargo van driver if you meet the following criteria. First off, you must have a place of residence in the Detroit metro area where you can sit and wait for your "starter load" the load that propels you out onto the road at the beginning of each week. Secondly, you need to have a cargo van that is already paid for "in cash" so that your operating expenses are low to moderate.

This was not a good model for me in the long run simply because I had a 500 dollar a month van payment, I did not have a place to stay in detroit (thus I spent all my money idling away my precious fuel at the detroiter) and I was 2000 miles away from home. That gets old after i'd say about "16 months!" But I had a very experienced friend who had been with this particular outfit for 10 years and he was getting by just fine.

The main reason why the miles were steady with Arrow Freight Systems is because the rates were lower than most of the larger expedited carriers. But, on the other hand there were absolutely zero deductions coming out of my paycheck; not even personal injury insurance. There were no qc fees, no sign on fees, no early termination fees, and I was paid 1 week from the day that my bill of ladings were turned into the home office. The only fixed expense that I had with Arrow was my bobtail insurance and cell phone note. This made the 70 to 75 and the occasional 80 cpm load a bit more bearable. So, in essence I traded rate per mile for steady income.

Other companies would tell a driver to get out of the Detroit area because there are too many cargo vans sitting around there. But, Arrow would have me out of detroit the same day I deliverd a load. My typical week would go as follows. Pick up in Detroit and deliver to Mossville MD or Kansas City Assembly (usually with two loads) and wait there a day or two and get another run right back to detroit. So I was always getting around 550 dollars to do 700 miles around two times a week "with an occasional double load" which netted me about 600-700 a week. I only once had to deadhead out of Maryland because NLM messed up and awarded a load that my company had won the bid on to another carrier.

Now I was their highest grossing driver. There were weeks when I made more than 600 take home because I did not live in Detroit and I was available to run during the weekends. So my week would go as follows, Detroit to Kansas City Assembly to Belvidere Asselbly in Illinois back to Detroit on a friday and loaded up with a load going to Mossville MD for monday morning delivery. That is a total gross of about 2100 miles at 75 cents per mile which is not too shabby if you are always busy. So, you can make the cargo van gig work with the right company, provided that you meet the criteria that I have listed in the above post, and provided you live in or near a good freight lane. Good luck my friend. :cool:
 
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cheri1122

Veteran Expediter
Driver
Very good stuff, Dodgeboy. Not much help for those who already have a monthly note on their van, or don't live near Detroit, but helpful nonetheless, if only to show the kind of commitment it takes to even scrape by.
 

highway star

Veteran Expediter
Owner/Operator
How is a "paid for" van an advantage? If you're not paying as you go, don't you have to put money away for the next van? Is this money that magically appears and doesn't have to be factored in? Do you have a van tree in the back yard?
 

Moot

Veteran Expediter
Owner/Operator
Do you have a van tree in the back yard?

Excellent question! I live in Zone 5 (plant hardiness). Will a van tree survive a Minnesota winter? I'm partial to General Motors but maybe a German hybrid would have a better survival rate in Zone 5.
 

highway star

Veteran Expediter
Owner/Operator
You live in some kind of zone, I have no doubt. Your next van may be Fleeced Taxpayer Motors instead of GM.
 

pjjjjj

Veteran Expediter
Excellent question! I live in Zone 5 (plant hardiness). Will a van tree survive a Minnesota winter? I'm partial to General Motors but maybe a German hybrid would have a better survival rate in Zone 5.

Hey, I'm no horticultural expert, but I do apparently also live in Zone 5(b). Altho I'm sure the Van Tree is a little more hardy than our Money Tree, our Money Tree is on its death bed as we speak. I am not sure it can last one more cruel winter, even tho I have been keeping it inside during its younger years.
Even with the Van Tree's presumed extra hardiness, it would surprise me if you were able to grow and nurture a Van Tree to produce healthy vans in your area which is even further north and much colder.
Hmm, not sure about the German Hybrid Van Tree tho, but apparently the most draught tolerant and disease resistant trees are of the native variety. Considering they are mostly American anyway, I'd say you're better off to just Ban the Van Tree due to your particularly harsh Minnesota winters.
 
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