Two monkeys were paid unequally for the same task...see what happens next.
2 Monkeys Were Paid Unequally; See What Happens Next
2 Monkeys Were Paid Unequally; See What Happens Next
A tale of two monkeys
- Thread starter louixo
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Women do? Gee, I don't know, every place I have ever worked women got paid EXACTLY the same wage as their male counter parts WHEN THEY DID THE EXACT SAME JOB. When they did lessor paying jobs they got paid less. When they did higher paying jobs, they got payed more.
At the steel mill they often got paid more to do less. It was safer for all concerned to pay a woman to dust safety lights the same wage as a man who was spiking rail. There were far fewer injuries when women were not using a spike maul.
I can say the same for every place my wife has worked as well. Even when she worked as a precision grinder she made exactly the same wage as the men in that shop who started when she did. Men with more experience made more, as they should.
When she worked at the player piano plant she made the same as men did in the same skill level jobs.
Union or non-union seems to make little difference. The steel mill I worked at was a union shop and both the machine shop and piano plant my wife worked at were not.
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Yes, they do.
The gap is narrower for side-by-side same-jobs, but there is still a gap nonetheless, from men working more hours and men getting higher bonuses, as well as other factors.
Full story from Forbes:
The Geography Of The Gender Pay Gap: Women's Earnings By State - Forbes
Gender Pay Gap Wiki page:
Gender pay gap - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
Male–female income disparity in the United States Wiki page
Male?female income disparity in the United States - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
Yes, they do.
The gap is narrower for side-by-side same-jobs, but there is still a gap nonetheless, from men working more hours and men getting higher bonuses, as well as other factors.
Full story from Forbes:
The Geography Of The Gender Pay Gap: Women's Earnings By State - Forbes
Gender Pay Gap Wiki page:
Gender pay gap - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
Male–female income disparity in the United States Wiki page
Male?female income disparity in the United States - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
Why do men work more hours? Why do women work less?
I will read the links later, I am working on a detailed letter to my congressman about the negative impact the new HOS is having on my business. I promised him I would do so.
It is my contention, however, that most pay descrepencies are not due to anything more than choices that women/men/families make and are not due to gender bias.
There, I got the letter of to my congressman and read those studies. As most like them they have many problems. They are almost impossible to control for every variable. Many of the differences are due to choice.
I don't know what your experience is but mine and my wife's are the same. When women and men did the same job, for the same number of hours, they are paid the same.
I would like to see more specific studies as opposed to the gross studies we normally see. Many of the studies are done to prove a point as opposed to examining an issue. We know that the government has had an "agenda" on this subject for decades, which makes any government study suspect to say the least.
There are many instances where men are discriminated on the job as well. There was once a time, in the US military, when women nurses were made officers upon entry into the military but male nurses were not and were often not allowed to even serve in the capacity of nurse. It took several decades to correct that issue. As with all social issues, these problems have taken the entire history of mankind to reach this point and we want them solved in a week or so. Ain't gonna happen.
I don't know what your experience is but mine and my wife's are the same. When women and men did the same job, for the same number of hours, they are paid the same.
I would like to see more specific studies as opposed to the gross studies we normally see. Many of the studies are done to prove a point as opposed to examining an issue. We know that the government has had an "agenda" on this subject for decades, which makes any government study suspect to say the least.
There are many instances where men are discriminated on the job as well. There was once a time, in the US military, when women nurses were made officers upon entry into the military but male nurses were not and were often not allowed to even serve in the capacity of nurse. It took several decades to correct that issue. As with all social issues, these problems have taken the entire history of mankind to reach this point and we want them solved in a week or so. Ain't gonna happen.
My own personal experience has been largely the same as yours, and with jobs were people punch a clock that's generally true. But I have also seen where men get faster raises and higher bonuses right along side of women for doing the same job. I've seen women passed over for higher paying jobs that went to men, too. A lot. So women get stuck in the same jobs for longer while men advance quicker. The reasoning is, of course, that men are the breadwinners and have a family to support. Old habits die hard, I guess.
Many, if not most of the studies are done indeed to prove a point, but most of the studies are not government studies, so you might want to set aside your prejudices on that one. Here's one that goes the other way and shows more of the details. It's a good piece, right up until the final paragraph.
Gender pay gap: The familiar line that ?women make 77 cents to every man?s dollar? simply isn?t accurate. - Slate Magazine
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I don't see the study on your last post. I would read it if it were there.
We did not punch a clock at NSA. When I was there, women generally got promoted ahead of men, qualified or not. They tended to get hired on at a higher pay grade than men. Education, regardless of the major, was more important that experience in every case. There was a HUGH push on there, in the mid-eighties, to insure a larger percentage of women were put into mid and higher range pay grades, quickly. They saw no need to have new hires work their way up as was always done in the past, both for men and women. They needed numbers, period. Little, if any, attention was paid to the drop in quality of the product that was put out because of it.
If we ever meet I will tell you a story about that. It is VERY politically incorrect and not suitable for public consumption, but FUNNY!
We did not punch a clock at NSA. When I was there, women generally got promoted ahead of men, qualified or not. They tended to get hired on at a higher pay grade than men. Education, regardless of the major, was more important that experience in every case. There was a HUGH push on there, in the mid-eighties, to insure a larger percentage of women were put into mid and higher range pay grades, quickly. They saw no need to have new hires work their way up as was always done in the past, both for men and women. They needed numbers, period. Little, if any, attention was paid to the drop in quality of the product that was put out because of it.
If we ever meet I will tell you a story about that. It is VERY politically incorrect and not suitable for public consumption, but FUNNY!
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You didn't see it because I forgot to put it there.
It's there now, though.
Well I guess that would account for it not being there! I will give is a read.
Interesting article. It does appear to be a bit more "even handed" than many I have read.
I agree that the issue is far more complicated than many choose to make it out to be. It is not as simple as just gender discrimination. Personal choices made by individual women, for what ever reasons, play a major part in what pay difference there is.
Is there some gender discrimination? Sure, in both directions. Same with racial discrimination. Age discrimination is even more prevalent. Once a person gets much past 55 finding gainful employment gets increasingly difficult. That is one of the reasons I expedite.
I also agree that the last paragraph is weak at best.
I agree that the issue is far more complicated than many choose to make it out to be. It is not as simple as just gender discrimination. Personal choices made by individual women, for what ever reasons, play a major part in what pay difference there is.
Is there some gender discrimination? Sure, in both directions. Same with racial discrimination. Age discrimination is even more prevalent. Once a person gets much past 55 finding gainful employment gets increasingly difficult. That is one of the reasons I expedite.
I also agree that the last paragraph is weak at best.
When my kids were little, a lot of 'it's not fair!!!' tantrums were avoided by one simple tactic: one cuts the cake [or pie], the other gets first choice.
The issues today are a result of letting the same people cut the cake and pick first slice.
PS Only one of mine has turned 30, but they are both pretty good people: hard working, self sufficient, and happy, too.
zorry
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I remember an Elvis Presley movie where in the opening scene Elvis breaks a candy bar, 60-40, to split with his younger brother.
The younger kid squawks, so Elvis bites a third off of the larger piece. He holds the pieces together and they're even: both 40% of the original size.
Now that things are even, everyone is happy.
The younger kid squawks, so Elvis bites a third off of the larger piece. He holds the pieces together and they're even: both 40% of the original size.
Now that things are even, everyone is happy.
So sad! Even Elvis was double brokering! :-/
moose
Veteran Expediter
You know?, we man's cannot really complain in this country. I'd say all bet going to the femini movement. way to go girls. since the early 60's we are getting a better and better deals as time moves on. about 42% of families in America are a one parent household's, normally the lady's first. and a recent study showed that about 40% of American household's relay on the woman income as a main provider. you wanna raised the kids and have a meaningful career @ the same time?-go 4 it!. so all we have to do is make more baby's & watch the sport channels between fishing trips. good deal!