A Single Tip Now Lands You on Terror Watch List

witness23

Veteran Expediter
Officials change criteria in Umar Farouk Abdulmutallab's wake

I thought this would be good information for some here in the Soapbox. Be careful out there some of you.......

Link: One tip enough to put name on watch list

Be careful: The feds learned a lesson from the underwear bomber, and now all it takes is a single tip to land you on the terrorist watch list. Concerns were raised after Umar Farouk Abdulmutallab wasn’t placed on the list, despite his father informing US officials of his son’s radicalization. Now, the criteria have been altered so that credible single-source tips can lead to a name’s placement on the list, the Washington Post reports.


With the move, officials have “effectively in a broad stroke lowered the bar for inclusion,” says a senior counterterrorism official. Civil liberties groups are concerned the new criteria could lead to privacy violations and travel difficulties for people who pose no threat. “They are secret lists with no way for people to petition to get off or even to know if they're on,” says a lawyer for the ACLU, but officials say law-abiding people have been successfully kept off the list, and that the change in criteria will keep us safer.
 

Turtle

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Retired Expediter
"...senior counterterrorism officials say they have altered their criteria so that a single-source tip, as long as it is deemed credible, can lead to a name being placed on the watch list."

"The standard for inclusion on it remains the same as it was before - that a person is "reasonably suspected" to be engaged in terrorism-related activity. But another senior counterterrorism official, who like some others would speak only on the condition of anonymity, said that officials have now "effectively in a broad stroke lowered the bar for inclusion."


Just a couple of contextual tid-bits that Newser decided to leave out of their in-depth analysis of the Washington Post article.

Newser.com - Read less, Learn more. Maybe. <snort>
 

witness23

Veteran Expediter
"...senior counterterrorism officials say they have altered their criteria so that a single-source tip, as long as it is deemed credible, can lead to a name being placed on the watch list."

"The standard for inclusion on it remains the same as it was before - that a person is "reasonably suspected" to be engaged in terrorism-related activity. But another senior counterterrorism official, who like some others would speak only on the condition of anonymity, said that officials have now "effectively in a broad stroke lowered the bar for inclusion."


Just a couple of contextual tid-bits that Newser decided to leave out of their in-depth analysis of the Washington Post article.

Newser.com - Read less, Learn more. Maybe. <snort>

If you clicked on the link I provided in the thread, you would notice that it takes you directly to the original Washington Post article. I used the Newser synopsis instead of posting the original lenghty article, if you did want to read the whole article it was a simple click away from my link, or one can simply click the link provided by Newser. Pretty simple if you ask me for anyone wanting to be more informed about the story. You have a point though turtle. I should remember where I am posting and to whom I am posting, and remember most, not all, but most in here probably wouldn't take the time to make a simple click so they could read the entire article.

Keep your head up though.
 

Turtle

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Retired Expediter
If you clicked on the link I provided in the thread, you would notice that it takes you directly to the original Washington Post article.
Yes, I know. I wonder why you didn't simply state that in your original post.

I used the Newser synopsis instead of posting the original lenghty article,...
It is the generally accepted convention here (and on most forums) that when you post a quoted article that you provide a link to that which you quoted so people can go to the original source and read it, if they so choose. It's quite odd that you'd post the Newser synopsis as the quoted text, and fail to provide the link to the Newser article itself. Odd, indeed, as if it was done on purpose for some reason.

You've got a link there just above quoted text, which certainly to most people will appear to be quoted text from the link immediately above it. But of course, you know that, as you have admitted. Knowing that most people will not click a link to re-read what they've already seen as quoted text, your post here seems deceptive. I can't see how it's ignorantly or incompetently deceptive, since you clearly know how to quote text and provide links, so we're left with blatantly and willful deception on your part. It was very well done, too, I might add. I only came back to the thread as an afterthought and clicked the link. Imagine my surprise when I couldn't find the quoted text anywhere in the article. Then I had to take the time to locate the original source of the synopsis.

...if you did want to read the whole article it was a simple click away from my link, or one can simply click the link provided by Newser.
What link provided by Newser? You never referenced Newser at all. Unless one is as smart as me, they would never be able to find the link provided by Newser.

Nice try, tho.

Pretty simple if you ask me for anyone wanting to be more informed about the story.
Then you should have posted all of this along with the story, so as to fully explain what the heck you were doing, instead of crafting a deception. Then it would have been simple. Links are to simplify, not complicate, and if you have to take this much test to explain something that was supposed to be simple, then it wasn't simple, and was instead an attempt to deceive. It's that simple.

You have a point though turtle.
ANd you have a firm grasp of the obvious.

I should remember where I am posting and to whom I am posting, and remember most, not all, but most in here probably wouldn't take the time to make a simple click so they could read the entire article.
That is correct, except you gave no indication that there was more to the article for them to go read. And I believe that you, knowing most, not all, but most in here probably won't take the time to make a simple click to re-read what they've already read, is the reason you did what you did, and now you're trying to back peddle your way out of it. And it won't work.

Keep your head up though.
Good example of backpedaling, trying to turn it around onto me, rather than admitting to what you did after getting busted doing it.
 

witness23

Veteran Expediter
Wow dude, that is quite some Sherlock Holmes stuff you got going on. You really need to take a break from the internet bro, you are starting to sound a bit unhinged yourself. Let's dive in here shall we?

Yes, I know. I wonder why you didn't simply state that in your original post.

I didn't know I had to state that the link was to the original story. Let me take you through the process that has us here now. I sometimes go to Newser.com , I look through the stories to see if there is anything interesting. I sometimes will post stories from Newser here in the Soapbox. This particular story caught my eye. I clicked on the the story, it brings up a window, it has a summary of the story that I read, the story intrigued me and I wanted to read more. At that time I clicked on the link in the summary to go to the original piece in the Washington Post. I read the story, thought I would post here in the Soapbox. It was lengthy so I figured I would put the summary from Newser here and supply the link so that if you wanted to know more about the story, and possibly comment on the story, you could click the link to further reading the story.

It is the generally accepted convention here (and on most forums) that when you post a quoted article that you provide a link to that which you quoted so people can go to the original source and read it, if they so choose.

You know what turtle, why don't you post a list of "forum etiquette" so we can all be as well versed on the proper way to do things here to keep you happy.

It's quite odd that you'd post the Newser synopsis as the quoted text, and fail to provide the link to the Newser article itself. Odd, indeed, as if it was done on purpose for some reason.

Odd I tell you, odd. WTF are you talking about? I'll try and go slow so you can follow along. Go to Newser, find the story that we are referring to, click the "more" link, that will then show you a summary of the summary, and a LINK to the original piece. If you then click on the title of the article it will take you to another page with more of the summary, and a area to give "your take" and a comments section. there isn't a Newser story, they don't have there own stories, they only give you a summary of the original story and a LINK to go that story if you so choose.

You've got a link there just above quoted text, which certainly to most people will appear to be quoted text from the link immediately above it. But of course, you know that, as you have admitted.

Wow....I think I give more credit to those here in the Soapbox than you do. You really think anyone could come up with a rational idea, opinion or a view on the summary that I provided? Really? You don't think any rational person would read that summary and then if they were interested in commenting about it wouldn't go to the link I provided before commenting on the story?

Knowing that most people will not click a link to re-read what they've already seen as quoted text, your post here seems deceptive.

No turtle, actually I thought anyone that would possibly think about commenting on the story would've clicked on my link and read the whole story before doing so. How could anyone possibly comment on the summary that I provided, without reading the original piece?

I can't see how it's ignorantly or incompetently deceptive, since you clearly know how to quote text and provide links, so we're left with blatantly and willful deception on your part.

Really turtle? give me one reason why I would want to be deceitful. A story about the underwear bomber and protocols on security. Why on God's green earth would I want or need to be deceitful?

It was very well done, too, I might add. I only came back to the thread as an afterthought and clicked the link.

Well I hope you would have, that's why I put the link there. Because if you came away with an opinion or view on a summary then you and anyone else who may have done so are doing yourself and everyone else around you a dis-service.

Imagine my surprise when I couldn't find the quoted text anywhere in the article. Then I had to take the time to locate the original source of the synopsis.

Great job, now what did you think of the story? In Newser they take a news story, a writer gives a brief summary of that stroy and then they give you a link to the original story. It's a BIG CONSPIRACY.....woooooooo.

What link provided by Newser? You never referenced Newser at all. Unless one is as smart as me, they would never be able to find the link provided by Newser.

You get a gold star turtle. Instead of giving the link to Newser and then having anyone iterested in reading the original piece, I decided to just give the link to the original piece. All I did was cut out the middle man.

Nice try, tho.

Thanks.

Then you should have posted all of this along with the story, so as to fully explain what the heck you were doing, instead of crafting a deception. Then it would have been simple. Links are to simplify, not complicate, and if you have to take this much test to explain something that was supposed to be simple, then it wasn't simple, and was instead an attempt to deceive. It's that simple.

No turtle, you are making something easy, difficult, a mountain out of mole hill, looking for something that isn't there. You got a hard on for me and that's fine, but stop spending your time and effort in making me into something I am not and accusing me of something that I am not.

ANd you have a firm grasp of the obvious.

Thank you, I am starting to wonder about your grasp on the obvious though.

That is correct, except you gave no indication that there was more to the article for them to go read.

I thought by posting a LINK from the get go, people would realize that there was more to the article for them to read. I will clearly point that out in the future, just for you turtle.

And I believe that you, knowing most, not all, but most in here probably won't take the time to make a simple click to re-read what they've already read, is the reason you did what you did,

Actually no, I thought if anyone would read the article and wanted to more about the story they would've clicked the LINK to further read the story.

I gotta run.........I have more later.
 
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